Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00116)

So true Adelasie, until we have walked in their shoes, with their psychology and an understanding of where another is on the path we have no legs to stand on when it comes to another's karma.
   
  Cass

adelasie <adelasie@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
          Do we ever think of the reason for the apparent messiness of 
another's Karma, when viewed from "outside" their life? We know that 
perfect balance rules manifestation, else it would cease to exist. 
But we are such small fragments of the whole that we have a difficult 
time perceiving that balance. We imagine a great teacher and cast our 
idea of what that person should be, and then try to fit a real person 
into that mould, when actually, that person is the reality, with all 
their warts, because that is the form Karma allowed them to manifest 
within. The material plane only parially reflects the perfection 
within, especially to eyes that do not know how to look. 

Acceptance is a great thing to aspire to. Instead of suspicion and 
doubt, we can simply accept that what we need will come, has come, is 
coming, is here, and gratefully get on with learning the lesson it 
holds for us.

Happy New Year All, 
Adelasie

On 9 Jan 2008 at 5:06, Cass Silva wrote:

> Perhaps Christina, it had something to do with one of her chakras being suspended? 
> Cass
> 
> christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Question:
> 
> Does anyone know why HPB was not capable for marriage life?
> If so, why she married for that?
> Also twice, for she have had marriage in America too.
> I realy don't understand for what reason she would have married
> and why not to use her father's name?
> Because of it is German?
> ????????????????????????
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, 
> "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for giving your experiences.
> > It is a wonderful history of (for example) Parzival in 
> Neuschwanstein.
> > Which read leads to Montsalvat, the grailcastle in the south of 
> > France.Is ruine now.
> > There you see the 5th dimensional Christ consciousness unfolding 
> the 
> > whole mountain(5000ft high).A place of grid energy vortex and earth 
> > chakra for the whole continent Europe.They called the French mount 
> > Shasta.
> > 
> > As you see the celtic cross, means perfect balance of materiality 
> and 
> > Spirituality. The Christian cross is not balanced.
> > 
> > Also terrible and unbelievable what Romans did to the Cathars.
> > Roman Catholics wanted to keep Jezus dead on the cross, whie never 
> > have been a cross for him.They brought hell on the land of the 
> > ancient Gaelics.If I read more about that story, that opened my 
> eyes 
> > for the things I know somewhere behind.
> > 
> > Book of John, holy grail and Urim and Tumims crystal were hidden in 
> > underground passages.
> > 
> > There is a book talking abot the 12 woman apostels by Virgil 
> > Armstrong.
> > I am not so far to search in that.
> > Have a lot of work to do in Mahatma Letters.And in between I try to 
> > read farther T and T from Barborka and now I have the Caves and 
> > Jungles of Hindustan by HPB, but they are also written in the 
> > collected writings, but that I have on CD and not the good version 
> I 
> > think..In that way Theosophy is chaos in which one need to find its 
> > way by himself.
> > By the way, we always need to find our own way.The only path to go 
> by 
> > ourselves.
> > But with some help and attention of the other on the same level 
> will 
> > be welcome.
> > 
> > All te cultural beauty near my country I never visited, while I 
> live 
> > near it.Time to go I think.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > PS In the message before I wrote that the ravine of the Masters 
> has 
> > been destroyed by vulcano, but that is wrong, in 1909 it demaged by 
> > earthquake.
> > 
> > Christina
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > > Thanks for your reply. I have been to Neuschwanstein Castle in 
> > the 1950's it is a very intensive work of Art. Disneyland's 
> > "Fairytale Castle" is directly modeled off of it. Inside it is very 
> > ornate, there are some 1200 individually crafted wooden doors in 
> the 
> > Castle and each side set is a unique individual design different 
> > than all other of the doors. They told us that when the doors were 
> > finished Mad King Ludwig had their hands cut off so the Art could 
> > never be duplicated. From Neuschwanstein you can look down and 
> > across the Lake far below is Swansea Castle Ludwid's Fathers 
> Castle. 
> > There is also a legend that the spot upon which Neuschwanstein 
> > Castle was built used to be a Graal Castle Site. The Throne Room is 
> > gilded in Gold and there are many ornate marble pillars and rococco 
> > Paintings of Teutonic scenes. One can take a horse carriage to 
> > travel up the long winding road to the Castle entrance.
> > > At Fussen I visited the Ettel Monastery Chapel there it was 
> > probably the most magnificent spot I saw in Europe. There were two 
> > preserved Saints bodies in reliquairy sepulcher's with glass fronts 
> > that allowed us to see them inside. The Rose Marble Pillars were 
> > beautiful. The Gold Gilding was intensive inside and there were 
> > beautiful paintings decorating it all. I was able to find it on 
> > Google Earth as well as Neuschwanstein Castle, Swansea Castle, 
> > Oberamegau where the Passion Plays are held once every seven years, 
> > and saw the magnificent works of the Wood Carvers there.
> > > 
> > > Years later when I found Theosophy and read what Blavsaidy said 
> > about these places it seems like I was a cattle that was led by a 
> > ring in my nose to visit unconsciously these special locations. 
> When 
> > I went to London I stayed at the Albion Court Hotel just a short 
> > walk from Marble Arch that Blavatsky spoke about. I used to go each 
> > week-end to Marionberg Fortress in Wurzburg Germany and sit up in 
> > the wine porch sipping white Rhine Wine and enjoying the view, I 
> > didn't even know Blavatsky had lived there at that point of time in 
> > my life and I had no knowledge of Wilhelmstrasse or where she lived 
> > on it.
> > > 
> > > Regards, 
> > > John
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > Yes, as you discribe Caves, I think it will be a great pleasure 
> to 
> > > read.Especially the way she takes us with her in the 
> > > experiences.Barborka did not tell which Island they visited in T 
> > and 
> > > T.Now I am half the book. Yes it is great idea to look after with 
> > > google earth.But in passing times names have been changed.I think 
> > > till now, no one have found the valley and caves of KH and M with 
> > > their little temple, also not in other place their museum.
> > > The valley or ravine does not exist anymore, for there have been 
> > an 
> > > disaster in vulcanic way.It would have been so wonderful , like 
> in 
> > > fairy tales.More places are of wonderful beauty as the castles in 
> > > Europe.For example Schloss Neuschanstein, near Füssen in 
> > Beyern.You 
> > > can see on google.nl by typing only the name you see it and its 
> > > surroundings and history, oneof te most beautiful castles I ever 
> > had 
> > > seen.
> > > 
> > > Christina
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Christina,
> > > > Yes I have Caves and Jungles of Hindustan here for decades and 
> > > when I first purchased it in the 1970's It was such fun to read, 
> > so 
> > > very stimulating and the exotic contents were enthralling and 
> > wafted 
> > > me away to far places. I so much enjoyed whatever interesting 
> > > detailing of their experiences, feelings, surprise and amazement 
> > and 
> > > consternation alike. I loved the description of the many obscure 
> > > monuments like the Caves of Elephanta. I never knew it was an 
> > Island 
> > > until recently, I found it on my travels on Google Earth. I don't 
> > > remember Madame Blavatsky telling that it was right in the middle 
> > of 
> > > the Calcutta Harbor! Today I like to locate places she went to on 
> > > Google Earth if I can and put a pin on the location and save it 
> to 
> > > my favorite Places in Google Earth.
> > > > 
> > > > I promise you will love and treasure Tibet and Tulku.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > John, have you read from the Caves,jungles of Hindustan by the 
> > hand 
> > > > of HPB,as Radda Bai.
> > > > I think in Russian she had expressed totally, but her niece 
> > > > translated the stories into English.
> > > > 
> > > > Wonderful the story "An Island of mystery".
> > > > The orchest; the gigantic sirka reeds(vina- devi)and the 
> > bamboos, 
> > > > some musical fantasy born of the howling and whistling of the 
> > wind.
> > > > A horrid fancy haunts the bewildered heads, the image that the
> > > > invisible artists strain the veins and not the strings of 
> > imaginary 
> > > > violins. Real fun that Olcott thought that Gulab-Singh caused 
> > that 
> > > > phenomonon and had no idea it was natural acoustic caused by 
> the 
> > > wind.
> > > > I would have been there too!
> > > > Also I can understand Barborka's pity to turn away from Caves 
> > and 
> > > > jungles and the talentful writings from HPB's pen. Tomorrow I 
> > buy 
> > > > that book. Realy great such entertainment.
> > > > Christina
> > > > 
> > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Christina,
> > > > > Thanks for your comments and reply. Well, I don't want to 
> give 
> > > > the impression that I have any special knowledge of how this 
> was 
> > > > effected on H.P.B. what I say is only my personal opinion. 
> First 
> > I 
> > > > hold the view that the Seventh Atmic and Sixth Buddhic 
> > Principals 
> > > are 
> > > > both Transcendental immutable unchangable and beyond the 
> ability 
> > to 
> > > > effect of even Mahatma or Dhyana Buddha for even they are 
> > > > Personalizations. So what remains that is not of Transcendental 
> > > State 
> > > > are the five lower Principles the Sthula, Prana, Linga, Kama, 
> > Manas 
> > > > (divided of upper and lower mind). I believe it was one of 
> these 
> > > that 
> > > > was separated and retained during her Initiations in Tibet. 
> > > According 
> > > > to Tibet and Tulku one thing this facilitated when the ability 
> > to 
> > > > communicate to a higher permanent degree with her at all times 
> > and 
> > > > to allow the direct use of her vehicle when desired. Her Astral 
> > > Bell 
> > > > that she always heard on the current signaling the approach or 
> > > > nearness of her Masters or a special important message. Pe
> > > > > rhaps it also was a mechanism that made possible her ability 
> > to 
> > > > make use of Akashic Records to read and transcribe directly the 
> > > > literary contents she placed in her works. In addition it is 
> > said 
> > > > that by retaining the Principle her Oath of Silence was 
> insured, 
> > > for 
> > > > to violate it would cause permanent loss to her of this 
> > Principle.
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is some indication that the Ancient Egyptian also had 
> > some 
> > > > type of knowledge in this matter regarding the "Shabti" and 
> > > > energization that permitted unique interface with the 
> individual 
> > in 
> > > > works that are not Theosophical and deal especially with 
> > Egyptian 
> > > > Matters only. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The depth and breath of the contents of Tibet and Tulku are 
> > too 
> > > > deep and complex to explain like this. But my eyes were opened 
> > on 
> > > > many, many things that directly apply to how the Masters 
> project 
> > > > their Image and Mind, send messages, make use of a chela 
> > remotely 
> > > and 
> > > > so many other modes that are a unique ability of the Mahatma or 
> > > full 
> > > > Adept. When H.P.B. spent five weeks exteriorized from her 
> > physical 
> > > > body where else but in Tibet and Tulku are the further allowed 
> > > > details found about this? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This work will always remain with me and in my library it 
> > offers 
> > > > deep understanding and explanations not found in any other 
> > > > Theosophical works. At the time I first purchased my hardbound 
> > > > edition from a rare book dealer I was very deeply involved in a 
> > > most 
> > > > phenomenal UFO Case in 1976, I was experiencing many things one 
> > can 
> > > > only read about in H.P.B.'s life --- conversant real time 
> > > telepathy, 
> > > > apportment of objects by the UFO Experiencer, Astral bells 
> > ringing 
> > > on 
> > > > a regular basis, and much more! I was looking for something 
> that 
> > > > might explain who was the "Projector", how was it done, how can 
> > > they 
> > > > change time itself? And I found excellent correlates in Tibet 
> > and 
> > > > Tulku no where else have I found this important instructive 
> > content 
> > > > in more than 32 years. It was one of the things that caused me 
> > to 
> > > > find Theosophy many years ago.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > Sorry, it is not the language, it is me.I read it too quickly 
> > and
> > > > > think directly, better forget the thinking by reading.And I 
> > had 
> > > some
> > > > > one on WinLive messager, so too much.Later when I read again 
> I 
> > > saw 
> > > > you
> > > > > say the right thing they pointed out on page 144.
> > > > > But indeed how they could take off one of the lower 
> > principles, 
> > > then
> > > > > she would have been not completed by herself.Possibly she was 
> > not 
> > > > and
> > > > > for that they give her the 7th and take off the motive for 
> > talk, 
> > > so 
> > > > a
> > > > > part of the fifth away.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Opera browser have problems with this group, for all this 
> > > messages 
> > > > are
> > > > > not there.I opened in my other browser.
> > > > > 
> > > > > i have the book for some months, so I have not read all.
> > > > > Christina
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > Thanks for your comments. We must have a language thing 
> > here. I
> > > > > said they retained One of the Seven Principles of her Economy 
> > of
> > > > > Being. I didn't say which one. You through translation 
> between 
> > > > English
> > > > > and Dutch missed my true meaning. But thanks for you reply I 
> > am 
> > > > happy
> > > > > that you have read T.T. , I thought if anyone has it would be 
> > you 
> > > > and
> > > > > the thought was a truth.
> > > > > > I appreciate your response and comments. My point was to 
> > give 
> > > some
> > > > > expanded basis for accounting for some of the peculiarities 
> > > observed
> > > > > in Madame Blavatskys behaviors that create such a negative 
> > > response
> > > > > towards her.This was asked about by members here. How many 
> > people
> > > > > could do otherwise if they were missing one of the necessary
> > > > > Principles of Wholeness of Being? I don't want to predefine 
> > from 
> > > my
> > > > > own views for others so I hope they will read Tibet and Tulku 
> > and
> > > > > benefit. The Tulku are the Sky Walkers and Nirmanakaya from a 
> > > > Tibetan
> > > > > view. I got a kick when I first watched Star Wars and the 
> Hero 
> > was
> > > > > Luke Skywalker who had a real Skywalker ( Obe 1 kenobi) as 
> his 
> > > > Mentor
> > > > > (a correlate metaphor for the Mahatma). In my view I was 
> > greatly
> > > > > helped in grasping many things one reads of in the History of 
> > her 
> > > > life
> > > > > and without the explanations detailed in this Book I would 
> > never 
> > > > have
> > > > > had the expanded view on how the "Communication" actually 
> > takes 
> > > > place
> > > > > between the Brothers and Blavatsky and others
> > > > > > and the several different modes that are used in different 
> > > forms.
> > > > > You having read it know this, it will always be with you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > > Thank you , for you the same wishes and that the world may 
> > have 
> > > > more
> > > > > > peace.Especially the people on it.
> > > > > > NASA is realy great and does not earn people write stupid 
> > books 
> > > on
> > > > > > them.Here we have Delft and Eindhoven , which technology 
> > they 
> > > > share.
> > > > > > Now we produce a new collapsible bookreader, which we can 
> > use 
> > > very
> > > > > > easy and also can be weared in GSM's. Easy to take with 
> you, 
> > > put a
> > > > > > card reader or readingUSB stick in it and you have a total 
> > from 
> > > > more
> > > > > > than 160 gig to take with you.Very handy.All theosophical 
> > books 
> > > > in a
> > > > > > minute .It reads better than from a book for it have a 
> > better 
> > > > reading
> > > > > > field and have special light, better for the eyes.
> > > > > > This year we bring it on the market.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have read pag 143/4 - 363/4/5 in my book T and T from 
> > > Barborka.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Her emotional expression is one of the square underlying 
> > > > principles,
> > > > > > so normally and (why they take the seventh principle
> ?),that 
> > > would
> > > > > > bring a disaster to her and the world, they never should do 
> > > that.
> > > > > > That you have read wrong. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > She needed to prepare the way for mankind.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And the fact of the 7 th principle in the complete human 
> > > > being.That
> > > > > > is the point.Otherwise the human being is not complete and 
> a 
> > > > danger
> > > > > > for himself and others.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > She needed to show and exercizing the siddhis of the 6th 
> > > > principle in
> > > > > > human, so she could warn us for the danger in them.As we 
> all 
> > > know 
> > > > one
> > > > > > can do good with the Ajna developement, but also do wrong 
> > with 
> > > > it. It
> > > > > > is the heaviest power we have.For that she must have had 
> the 
> > > > seventh
> > > > > > principle , otherwise she would fallen down into and 
> staying 
> > in 
> > > > that 6
> > > > > > principle and a danger, if no control from the 7 
> > th.Sahasrara. 
> > > > > > The 7(sahasrara) and the 6(ajna) are to be needed to stay 
> in 
> > the
> > > > > > higher mind and come out of the lower mind.That is what I 
> > know.
> > > > > > But she lived in a time of no developement like we have now 
> > and 
> > > > most 
> > > > > > people were very crazy of mediumship and spiritism.If that 
> > > should 
> > > > go
> > > > > > on, we would have the atlantis from the past, better we 
> have 
> > > the 
> > > > post
> > > > > > atlantic period now and the possibility to turn back to 
> > > spiritual
> > > > > > developement, which brings wisdom, wealth and happines.
> > > > > > That is what jezus predicted , the kingdom of god, the 
> > kingdom,=
> > > > > > nothing outside, but inside ourselves; the total 
> > developement 
> > > in 
> > > > the
> > > > > > human to become human, human with Divinesoul, Spiritualsoul 
> > and
> > > > > > Humansoul, Atma,Buddhi,Manas in one person, the UNITY 
> > working 
> > > > with the
> > > > > > 4 lower principles, all together.All need to be 
> > perfected.That 
> > > is 
> > > > the
> > > > > > way.And happely we have not all the same, psychophysical
> > > > > > conditionsThan we would be like the UNOX sausage.
> > > > > > Christina
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > > Hi and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for the neat useful 
> > > links 
> > > > for
> > > > > > NASA they are really great archives. I agree with you NASA
> > > > > > historically has had many, many other Nation Partners then 
> > and 
> > > > today
> > > > > > also. Like The ESA of the European Union, The Japanese 
> Space 
> > > > Agency,
> > > > > > The Australian Partnership that Tracking and Data Receipt 
> > > Station 
> > > > is
> > > > > > still there now and has recently been engaged in providing 
> > the 
> > > > similar
> > > > > > services as it did during the Apollo Missions among others. 
> > We 
> > > > also
> > > > > > have Brazilian and other South American Partners in Space 
> > and 
> > > many
> > > > > > tracking Stations all over the World with the complete 
> > consent 
> > > and
> > > > > > agreement of the Governments of many Nations.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The entire World sat rapt in utter amazement and watched 
> > and
> > > > > > listened to the Moon Missions and the Moon landings. All 
> > over 
> > > the
> > > > > > world the media received and recorded it at each and 
> > everyone 
> > > of 
> > > > the
> > > > > > TV Stations and Radio Stations of the "FREE WORLD" that 
> > > > rreceivedand
> > > > > > resent the live signal out to their populace! The exception 
> > > were 
> > > > those
> > > > > > behind the Iron Curtain of the Soviet EMPIRE and the other 
> > > > hegemony of
> > > > > > the Communist Ghouldom!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > These Redactionists of history invent strawman and red 
> > herring
> > > > > > issues for political agendas even today they just cannot 
> > accept 
> > > > they
> > > > > > lost WWII and they lost the Cold War and they will always 
> > remain
> > > > > > losers to rational people anywhere on earth.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > BTW, when I posted about pages 143-44 of Tibet and Tulku 
> > is 
> > > was
> > > > > > because i wanted to point to what was done to H.P.B. by the 
> > > > Brothers
> > > > > > -----they removed 1 of her seven principles from her and 
> > > retained 
> > > > it
> > > > > > in their keeping to serve several purposes, the result of 
> > this 
> > > is 
> > > > seen
> > > > > > in her personality and temperament. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > John 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > > > Cass,
> > > > > > > I think, the NASA( are not only Americans)and also work 
> in 
> > > > > > > company with Swiss can have LOL about all the stupids on 
> > > > > > > earth.
> > > > > > > Why you think you have INTERNET
> > > > > > > Why you think we have solar cells to warm the houses?
> > > > > > > Why you think we have digital camera's and all kind off 
> > stuff 
> > > > > > > we can use now and with pleasure if you use it well.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Then what they go to find out more.I keep silent!I will 
> > see.
> > > > > > > Christina
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
> > <silva_cass@> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trouble is Christina, I don't trust NASA
> > > > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For people want to know more see: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Slides 8x8 made by Hasselblatt camera by Armstrong or 
> > Aldin.
> > > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/ch14-
> > > 4.html
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > From there you can f ind a lot of stuff they give for 
> > > seeing.
> > > > > > > > Most pictures are made by 
> > > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo.html
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > > crew.html
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4204/
> > cover.html
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