Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00111)

Hi Raquel, so you have lived in Den Hague.How many years?
And have you learned our language?
I also try to read all TS stuff in English, for it is a language most 
countries use.But in times before people did not learn very well in 
schools.For the time now, we see on television lot of American films 
and can visit BBC, so easier for us.
And after a year following discussions here, also one learn to use it 
better.
We are as the Masters, they also have had few vocabulary, especially 
Morya, he wrote in one of his letters to Hume.Otherwise he could 
explain himself very claer.And that is it.

Here in our country we have a lot of old theosophists, near 70 or 
elder, they also cannot read or understand the English.

Some books I think , were used a lot of strange English words.
Then one  needs to use the dictionary more than he should like to do.
That is no peasure I can tell you.But we learn every day more.
There are words I need to find again and again, I cannot keep in my 
mind, but sure everybody will have that.
Hope you liked the work in Spanish from prof Nehru.
Christina



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi Christina
>   Thank you again for details, I did no know that was the first 
edition, of the SD, nevertheless, the printing house, Sirio it is 
almost correct, but not the best.
>   I know Theosophical Society in Spain has good translations and 
printings, I´ve already downloaded a few books from their web site. I
´m not a registered member of the TS, and the bit I know of their 
work in this country is through Internet, again for the bit I have 
search, they have material enough for a live time study if one has 
interest.
>   It is very easy in your country to find both, good translations 
and books in English. What happens is, as most Spanish don´t speak 
English, the books that are not translated are not also to sell, as 
far as I know. .They might be in Barcelona, Madrid or Valencia, but I 
have not been there yet and Granada is a dessert for books. Sometimes 
searching for a book, the salesman would tell me they don´t print 
this book anymore, so he would not have to bother to find it out for 
me.
>   I menage reading in English, to my surprise, luckily better I can 
talk or write.
>   I began my studies of Theosophy in your country when I was living 
in The Hague, when I came back to south Spain I was so disappointed 
of the lack of information I could find, I do not mean that there is 
not, it is just hard to find.  
>    
>   A few pages from Internet have proof to be very reliable to me, 
as Amazon and 
>   Health Research. I was so happy when I got my first book shipped 
after so many years coming across with nothing, I can not explain. At 
one point I was not happy with the publishing house and I ask to 
return the book. They refund me the money and ask me to keep the book 
as the price of shipping back was prohibitive, still I agree with 
you, I would better walk down the shop and have a look for myself, 
even shafe the money of shippings that many times are more expensive 
than the books themselves.
>    
>   The link you send me looks very interesting, but I could no 
executed for some reason, however, I thing at the moment I´ll keep 
reading in English and buying through internet, till I have a little 
holiday to Barcelona. I really miss to get in to a non digital 
Theosophical shop.
>    
>   Happy New Year
>    
>   Love and Ligth to All beings
>    
>   Raquel
>   
> christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@...> escribió:
>           Reaquel the SD you have is the earliest publishing , for 
that time 
> there were 7 volumes.
> 
> In our center and publishing house in Amsterdam we have all te books
> , but I don't think we have digitalized so much as Canada has done.
> Indeed we can be happy with the work they have done there.
> Also in our country we have good translations, but nothing to be 
> found on internet.Not one book.
> And if we see some interesting books for low prizes on internet, we 
> cannot take risk for paying and afterwards not getting that books.
> I think all loges need to have the most important books on table 
for 
> sale.Also in your country are people translating the books into 
> Spanish.If you visit yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/
divya-
> jnana/?yguid=162317756 here prof Nehru has translated his work into 
> Spanish.You can find after membership in files.
> 
> Christina
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Christina for the advise.
> > I agree with Theosophical Publishing House, but Spanish 
> Theosophical shops in Spain are too far from Granada. Impossible to 
> buy it here, once I ask to a friend that traveled to Barcelona to 
get 
> me The Secret Doctrine, and he came back with seven books of a 
rather 
> bad quality printing, not as bad as Kessinger. 
> > I have to say, I have never seen by myself a Theosophical shop in 
> Spain, they are not as common as in Holland. Also many books are 
not 
> translated in Spanish, and books in English are not easy to find.
> > In Den Haag library, you can find books, of every subject in 
> every language, this is very different here. In Granada´s library I 
> could not find not one book related to Theosophy. Apart all the 
> inherent knowledge attached to this city by the history of 
> civilizations, I thing Granada has not jet recover from the burn of 
> the books carried by inquisition and the strong repression of 40 
> years of a military ditadura.
> > Thanks to the Internet I can have an essay approach to certain 
> books. Although I rather walk to the shop and handle the book by 
> myself.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > 
> > Raquel
> > 
> > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> escribió:
> > Raquel.
> > Better buy it from the Theosophical Publishing House.Adyar.
> > I have it from 1966 first edition bought from our Publishing 
house 
> in 
> > Amsterdam, they ordered from Adyar long time ago I think, for I 
> have 
> > it for half a year.In Spain you will also have possibilities to 
get 
> > from Adyar.
> > Books ordered from internet we have bad experiences, for they let 
> pay 
> > you and never send the books.
> > Christina
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I found this if anyone is interested.
> > > Tibet and Tulku first edition from 1966.
> > > http://www.antiqbook.com/books/bookinfo.phtml?o=bookc&bnr=13250
> > > I wish I could buy it, but I am too delayed on my homework.
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > > Raquel
> > > 
> > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> escribió:
> > > John, have you read from the Caves,jungles of Hindustan 
> > by the hand 
> > > of HPB,as Radda Bai.
> > > I think in Russian she had expressed totally, but her niece 
> > > translated the stories into English.
> > > 
> > > Wonderful the story "An Island of mystery".
> > > The orchest; the gigantic sirka reeds(vina- devi)and the 
bamboos, 
> > > some musical fantasy born of the howling and whistling of the 
> wind.
> > > A horrid fancy haunts the bewildered heads, the image that the
> > > invisible artists strain the veins and not the strings of 
> imaginary 
> > > violins. Real fun that Olcott thought that Gulab-Singh caused 
> that 
> > > phenomonon and had no idea it was natural acoustic caused by 
the 
> > wind.
> > > I would have been there too!
> > > Also I can understand Barborka's pity to turn away from Caves 
and 
> > > jungles and the talentful writings from HPB's pen. Tomorrow I 
buy 
> > > that book. Realy great such entertainment.
> > > Christina
> > > 
> > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Christina,
> > > > Thanks for your comments and reply. Well, I don't want to 
give 
> > > the impression that I have any special knowledge of how this 
was 
> > > effected on H.P.B. what I say is only my personal opinion. 
First 
> I 
> > > hold the view that the Seventh Atmic and Sixth Buddhic 
Principals 
> > are 
> > > both Transcendental immutable unchangable and beyond the 
ability 
> to 
> > > effect of even Mahatma or Dhyana Buddha for even they are 
> > > Personalizations. So what remains that is not of Transcendental 
> > State 
> > > are the five lower Principles the Sthula, Prana, Linga, Kama, 
> Manas 
> > > (divided of upper and lower mind). I believe it was one of 
these 
> > that 
> > > was separated and retained during her Initiations in Tibet. 
> > According 
> > > to Tibet and Tulku one thing this facilitated when the ability 
to 
> > > communicate to a higher permanent degree with her at all times 
> and 
> > > to allow the direct use of her vehicle when desired. Her Astral 
> > Bell 
> > > that she always heard on the current signaling the approach or 
> > > nearness of her Masters or a special important message. Pe
> > > > rhaps it also was a mechanism that made possible her ability 
to 
> > > make use of Akashic Records to read and transcribe directly the 
> > > literary contents she placed in her works. In addition it is 
said 
> > > that by retaining the Principle her Oath of Silence was 
insured, 
> > for 
> > > to violate it would cause permanent loss to her of this 
Principle.
> > > > 
> > > > There is some indication that the Ancient Egyptian also had 
> some 
> > > type of knowledge in this matter regarding the "Shabti" and 
> > > energization that permitted unique interface with the 
individual 
> in 
> > > works that are not Theosophical and deal especially with 
Egyptian 
> > > Matters only. 
> > > > 
> > > > The depth and breath of the contents of Tibet and Tulku are 
too 
> > > deep and complex to explain like this. But my eyes were opened 
on 
> > > many, many things that directly apply to how the Masters 
project 
> > > their Image and Mind, send messages, make use of a chela 
remotely 
> > and 
> > > so many other modes that are a unique ability of the Mahatma or 
> > full 
> > > Adept. When H.P.B. spent five weeks exteriorized from her 
> physical 
> > > body where else but in Tibet and Tulku are the further allowed 
> > > details found about this? 
> > > > 
> > > > This work will always remain with me and in my library it 
> offers 
> > > deep understanding and explanations not found in any other 
> > > Theosophical works. At the time I first purchased my hardbound 
> > > edition from a rare book dealer I was very deeply involved in a 
> > most 
> > > phenomenal UFO Case in 1976, I was experiencing many things one 
> can 
> > > only read about in H.P.B.'s life --- conversant real time 
> > telepathy, 
> > > apportment of objects by the UFO Experiencer, Astral bells 
> ringing 
> > on 
> > > a regular basis, and much more! I was looking for something 
that 
> > > might explain who was the "Projector", how was it done, how can 
> > they 
> > > change time itself? And I found excellent correlates in Tibet 
and 
> > > Tulku no where else have I found this important instructive 
> content 
> > > in more than 32 years. It was one of the things that caused me 
to 
> > > find Theosophy many years ago.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > Sorry, it is not the language, it is me.I read it too quickly 
> and
> > > > think directly, better forget the thinking by reading.And I 
had 
> > some
> > > > one on WinLive messager, so too much.Later when I read again 
I 
> > saw 
> > > you
> > > > say the right thing they pointed out on page 144.
> > > > But indeed how they could take off one of the lower 
principles, 
> > then
> > > > she would have been not completed by herself.Possibly she was 
> not 
> > > and
> > > > for that they give her the 7th and take off the motive for 
> talk, 
> > so 
> > > a
> > > > part of the fifth away.
> > > > 
> > > > Opera browser have problems with this group, for all this 
> > messages 
> > > are
> > > > not there.I opened in my other browser.
> > > > 
> > > > i have the book for some months, so I have not read all.
> > > > Christina
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Christina,
> > > > > Thanks for your comments. We must have a language thing 
here. 
> I
> > > > said they retained One of the Seven Principles of her Economy 
of
> > > > Being. I didn't say which one. You through translation 
between 
> > > English
> > > > and Dutch missed my true meaning. But thanks for you reply I 
am 
> > > happy
> > > > that you have read T.T. , I thought if anyone has it would be 
> you 
> > > and
> > > > the thought was a truth.
> > > > > I appreciate your response and comments. My point was to 
give 
> > some
> > > > expanded basis for accounting for some of the peculiarities 
> > observed
> > > > in Madame Blavatskys behaviors that create such a negative 
> > response
> > > > towards her.This was asked about by members here. How many 
> people
> > > > could do otherwise if they were missing one of the necessary
> > > > Principles of Wholeness of Being? I don't want to predefine 
> from 
> > my
> > > > own views for others so I hope they will read Tibet and Tulku 
> and
> > > > benefit. The Tulku are the Sky Walkers and Nirmanakaya from a 
> > > Tibetan
> > > > view. I got a kick when I first watched Star Wars and the 
Hero 
> was
> > > > Luke Skywalker who had a real Skywalker ( Obe 1 kenobi) as 
his 
> > > Mentor
> > > > (a correlate metaphor for the Mahatma). In my view I was 
greatly
> > > > helped in grasping many things one reads of in the History of 
> her 
> > > life
> > > > and without the explanations detailed in this Book I would 
> never 
> > > have
> > > > had the expanded view on how the "Communication" actually 
takes 
> > > place
> > > > between the Brothers and Blavatsky and others
> > > > > and the several different modes that are used in different 
> > forms.
> > > > You having read it know this, it will always be with you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > 
> > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > Thank you , for you the same wishes and that the world may 
> have 
> > > more
> > > > > peace.Especially the people on it.
> > > > > NASA is realy great and does not earn people write stupid 
> books 
> > on
> > > > > them.Here we have Delft and Eindhoven , which technology 
they 
> > > share.
> > > > > Now we produce a new collapsible bookreader, which we can 
use 
> > very
> > > > > easy and also can be weared in GSM's. Easy to take with 
you, 
> > put a
> > > > > card reader or readingUSB stick in it and you have a total 
> from 
> > > more
> > > > > than 160 gig to take with you.Very handy.All theosophical 
> books 
> > > in a
> > > > > minute .It reads better than from a book for it have a 
better 
> > > reading
> > > > > field and have special light, better for the eyes.
> > > > > This year we bring it on the market.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have read pag 143/4 - 363/4/5 in my book T and T from 
> > Barborka.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Her emotional expression is one of the square underlying 
> > > principles,
> > > > > so normally and (why they take the seventh principle
 ?),that 
> > would
> > > > > bring a disaster to her and the world, they never should do 
> > that.
> > > > > That you have read wrong. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > She needed to prepare the way for mankind.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And the fact of the 7 th principle in the complete human 
> > > being.That
> > > > > is the point.Otherwise the human being is not complete and 
a 
> > > danger
> > > > > for himself and others.
> > > > > 
> > > > > She needed to show and exercizing the siddhis of the 6th 
> > > principle in
> > > > > human, so she could warn us for the danger in them.As we 
all 
> > know 
> > > one
> > > > > can do good with the Ajna developement, but also do wrong 
> with 
> > > it. It
> > > > > is the heaviest power we have.For that she must have had 
the 
> > > seventh
> > > > > principle , otherwise she would fallen down into and 
staying 
> in 
> > > that 6
> > > > > principle and a danger, if no control from the 7 
> th.Sahasrara. 
> > > > > The 7(sahasrara) and the 6(ajna) are to be needed to stay 
in 
> the
> > > > > higher mind and come out of the lower mind.That is what I 
> know.
> > > > > But she lived in a time of no developement like we have now 
> and 
> > > most 
> > > > > people were very crazy of mediumship and spiritism.If that 
> > should 
> > > go
> > > > > on, we would have the atlantis from the past, better we 
have 
> > the 
> > > post
> > > > > atlantic period now and the possibility to turn back to 
> > spiritual
> > > > > developement, which brings wisdom, wealth and happines.
> > > > > That is what jezus predicted , the kingdom of god, the 
> kingdom,=
> > > > > nothing outside, but inside ourselves; the total 
developement 
> > in 
> > > the
> > > > > human to become human, human with Divinesoul, Spiritualsoul 
> and
> > > > > Humansoul, Atma,Buddhi,Manas in one person, the UNITY 
working 
> > > with the
> > > > > 4 lower principles, all together.All need to be 
> perfected.That 
> > is 
> > > the
> > > > > way.And happely we have not all the same, psychophysical
> > > > > conditionsThan we would be like the UNOX sausage.
> > > > > Christina
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > Hi and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for the neat useful 
> > links 
> > > for
> > > > > NASA they are really great archives. I agree with you NASA
> > > > > historically has had many, many other Nation Partners then 
> and 
> > > today
> > > > > also. Like The ESA of the European Union, The Japanese 
Space 
> > > Agency,
> > > > > The Australian Partnership that Tracking and Data Receipt 
> > Station 
> > > is
> > > > > still there now and has recently been engaged in providing 
> the 
> > > similar
> > > > > services as it did during the Apollo Missions among others. 
> We 
> > > also
> > > > > have Brazilian and other South American Partners in Space 
and 
> > many
> > > > > tracking Stations all over the World with the complete 
> consent 
> > and
> > > > > agreement of the Governments of many Nations.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The entire World sat rapt in utter amazement and watched 
and
> > > > > listened to the Moon Missions and the Moon landings. All 
over 
> > the
> > > > > world the media received and recorded it at each and 
everyone 
> > of 
> > > the
> > > > > TV Stations and Radio Stations of the "FREE WORLD" that 
> > > rreceivedand
> > > > > resent the live signal out to their populace! The exception 
> > were 
> > > those
> > > > > behind the Iron Curtain of the Soviet EMPIRE and the other 
> > > hegemony of
> > > > > the Communist Ghouldom!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > These Redactionists of history invent strawman and red 
> herring
> > > > > issues for political agendas even today they just cannot 
> accept 
> > > they
> > > > > lost WWII and they lost the Cold War and they will always 
> remain
> > > > > losers to rational people anywhere on earth.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, when I posted about pages 143-44 of Tibet and Tulku 
is 
> > was
> > > > > because i wanted to point to what was done to H.P.B. by the 
> > > Brothers
> > > > > -----they removed 1 of her seven principles from her and 
> > retained 
> > > it
> > > > > in their keeping to serve several purposes, the result of 
> this 
> > is 
> > > seen
> > > > > in her personality and temperament. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > John 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > > Cass,
> > > > > > I think, the NASA( are not only Americans)and also work 
in 
> > > > > > company with Swiss can have LOL about all the stupids on 
> > > > > > earth.
> > > > > > Why you think you have INTERNET
> > > > > > Why you think we have solar cells to warm the houses?
> > > > > > Why you think we have digital camera's and all kind off 
> stuff 
> > > > > > we can use now and with pleasure if you use it well.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then what they go to find out more.I keep silent!I will 
see.
> > > > > > Christina
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
<silva_cass@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trouble is Christina, I don't trust NASA
> > > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For people want to know more see: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Slides 8x8 made by Hasselblatt camera by Armstrong or 
> Aldin.
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/ch14-
> > 4.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > From there you can f ind a lot of stuff they give for 
> > seeing.
> > > > > > > Most pictures are made by 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > crew.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4204/
> cover.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4214/
> cover.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/
> cover.html
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