Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00104)

Question:






Does anyone know why HPB was not capable for marriage life?
If so, why she married for that?
Also twice, for she have had marriage in America too.
I realy don't understand for what reason she would have married
and why not to use her father's name?
Because of it is German?
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--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, 
"christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for giving your experiences.
> It is a wonderful history of (for example) Parzival in 
Neuschwanstein.
> Which read leads to Montsalvat, the grailcastle in the south of 
> France.Is ruine now.
> There you see the 5th dimensional Christ consciousness unfolding 
the 
> whole mountain(5000ft high).A place of grid energy vortex and earth 
> chakra for the whole continent Europe.They called the French mount 
> Shasta.
> 
> As you see the celtic cross, means perfect balance of materiality 
and 
> Spirituality. The Christian cross is not balanced.
> 
> Also terrible and unbelievable what Romans did to the Cathars.
> Roman Catholics wanted to keep Jezus dead on the cross, whie never 
> have been a cross for him.They brought hell on the land of the 
> ancient Gaelics.If I read more about that story, that opened my 
eyes 
> for the things I know somewhere behind.
> 
> Book of John, holy grail and Urim and Tumims crystal were hidden in 
> underground passages.
> 
> There is a book talking abot the 12 woman apostels by Virgil 
> Armstrong.
> I am not so far to search in that.
> Have a lot of work to do in Mahatma Letters.And in between I try to 
> read farther T and T from Barborka and now I have the Caves and 
> Jungles of Hindustan by HPB, but they are also written in the 
> collected writings, but that I have on CD and not the good version 
I 
> think..In that way Theosophy is chaos in which one need to find its 
> way by himself.
> By the way, we always need to find our own way.The only path to go 
by 
> ourselves.
> But with some help and attention of the other on the same level 
will 
> be welcome.
> 
> All te cultural beauty near my country I never visited, while I 
live 
> near it.Time to go I think.
> 
> 
> 
> PS  In the message before I wrote that the ravine of the Masters 
has 
> been destroyed by vulcano, but that is wrong, in 1909 it demaged by 
> earthquake.
> 
> Christina
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---  theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Christina,
> >    Thanks for your reply. I have been to Neuschwanstein Castle in 
> the 1950's it is a very intensive work of Art. Disneyland's 
> "Fairytale Castle" is directly modeled off of it. Inside it is very 
> ornate, there are some 1200 individually crafted wooden doors in 
the 
> Castle and each side set is a unique individual design different 
> than all other of the doors. They told us that when the doors were 
> finished Mad King Ludwig had their hands cut off so the Art could 
> never be duplicated.  From Neuschwanstein you can look down and 
> across the Lake far below is Swansea Castle Ludwid's Fathers 
Castle. 
> There is also a legend that the spot upon which Neuschwanstein 
> Castle was built used to be a Graal Castle Site. The Throne Room is 
> gilded in Gold and there are many ornate marble pillars and rococco 
> Paintings of Teutonic scenes. One can take a horse carriage to 
> travel up the long winding road to the Castle entrance.
> >    At Fussen I visited the Ettel Monastery Chapel there it was 
> probably the most magnificent spot I saw in Europe. There were two 
> preserved Saints bodies in reliquairy sepulcher's with glass fronts 
> that allowed us to see them inside. The Rose Marble Pillars were 
> beautiful. The Gold Gilding was intensive inside and there were 
> beautiful paintings decorating it all. I was able to find it on 
> Google Earth as well as Neuschwanstein Castle, Swansea Castle, 
> Oberamegau where the Passion Plays are held once every seven years, 
> and saw the magnificent works of the Wood Carvers there.
> > 
> > Years later when I found Theosophy and read what Blavsaidy said 
> about these places it seems like I was a cattle that was led by a 
> ring in my nose to visit unconsciously these special locations. 
When 
> I went to London I stayed at the Albion Court Hotel just a short 
> walk from Marble Arch that Blavatsky spoke about. I used to go each 
> week-end to Marionberg Fortress in Wurzburg Germany and sit up in 
> the wine porch sipping white Rhine Wine and enjoying the view, I 
> didn't even know Blavatsky had lived there at that point of time in 
> my life and I had no knowledge of Wilhelmstrasse or where she lived 
> on it.
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > John
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > Yes, as you discribe Caves, I think it will be a great pleasure 
to 
> > read.Especially the way she takes us with her in the 
> > experiences.Barborka did not tell which Island they visited in T 
> and 
> > T.Now I am half the book. Yes it is great idea to look after with 
> > google earth.But in passing times names have been changed.I think 
> > till now, no one have found the valley and caves of KH and M with 
> > their little temple, also not in other place their museum.
> > The valley or ravine does not exist anymore, for there have been 
> an 
> > disaster in vulcanic way.It would have been so wonderful , like 
in 
> > fairy tales.More places are of wonderful beauty as the castles in 
> > Europe.For example Schloss Neuschanstein, near Füssen in 
> Beyern.You 
> > can see on google.nl by typing only the name you see it and its 
> > surroundings and history, oneof te most beautiful castles I ever 
> had 
> > seen.
> > 
> > Christina
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > > Yes I have Caves and Jungles of Hindustan here for decades and 
> > when I first purchased it in the 1970's It was such fun to read, 
> so 
> > very stimulating and the exotic contents were enthralling and 
> wafted 
> > me away to far places. I so much enjoyed whatever interesting 
> > detailing of their experiences, feelings, surprise and amazement 
> and 
> > consternation alike. I loved the description of the many obscure 
> > monuments like the Caves of Elephanta. I never knew it was an 
> Island 
> > until recently, I found it on my travels on Google Earth. I don't 
> > remember Madame Blavatsky telling that it was right in the middle 
> of 
> > the Calcutta Harbor! Today I like to locate places she went to on 
> > Google Earth if I can and put a pin on the location and save it 
to 
> > my favorite Places in Google Earth.
> > > 
> > > I promise you will love and treasure Tibet and Tulku.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > John, have you read from the Caves,jungles of Hindustan by the 
> hand 
> > > of HPB,as Radda Bai.
> > > I think in Russian she had expressed totally, but her niece 
> > > translated the stories into English.
> > > 
> > > Wonderful the story "An Island of mystery".
> > > The orchest; the gigantic sirka reeds(vina- devi)and the 
> bamboos, 
> > > some musical fantasy born of the howling and whistling of the 
> wind.
> > > A horrid fancy haunts the bewildered heads, the image that the
> > > invisible artists strain the veins and not the strings of 
> imaginary 
> > > violins. Real fun that Olcott thought that Gulab-Singh caused 
> that 
> > > phenomonon and had no idea it was natural acoustic caused by 
the 
> > wind.
> > > I would have been there too!
> > > Also I can understand Barborka's pity to turn away from Caves 
> and 
> > > jungles and the talentful writings from HPB's pen. Tomorrow I 
> buy 
> > > that book. Realy great such entertainment.
> > > Christina
> > > 
> > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Christina,
> > > > Thanks for your comments and reply. Well, I don't want to 
give 
> > > the impression that I have any special knowledge of how this 
was 
> > > effected on H.P.B. what I say is only my personal opinion. 
First 
> I 
> > > hold the view that the Seventh Atmic and Sixth Buddhic 
> Principals 
> > are 
> > > both Transcendental immutable unchangable and beyond the 
ability 
> to 
> > > effect of even Mahatma or Dhyana Buddha for even they are 
> > > Personalizations. So what remains that is not of Transcendental 
> > State 
> > > are the five lower Principles the Sthula, Prana, Linga, Kama, 
> Manas 
> > > (divided of upper and lower mind). I believe it was one of 
these 
> > that 
> > > was separated and retained during her Initiations in Tibet. 
> > According 
> > > to Tibet and Tulku one thing this facilitated when the ability 
> to 
> > > communicate to a higher permanent degree with her at all times 
> and 
> > > to allow the direct use of her vehicle when desired. Her Astral 
> > Bell 
> > > that she always heard on the current signaling the approach or 
> > > nearness of her Masters or a special important message. Pe
> > > > rhaps it also was a mechanism that made possible her ability 
> to 
> > > make use of Akashic Records to read and transcribe directly the 
> > > literary contents she placed in her works. In addition it is 
> said 
> > > that by retaining the Principle her Oath of Silence was 
insured, 
> > for 
> > > to violate it would cause permanent loss to her of this 
> Principle.
> > > > 
> > > > There is some indication that the Ancient Egyptian also had 
> some 
> > > type of knowledge in this matter regarding the "Shabti" and 
> > > energization that permitted unique interface with the 
individual 
> in 
> > > works that are not Theosophical and deal especially with 
> Egyptian 
> > > Matters only. 
> > > > 
> > > > The depth and breath of the contents of Tibet and Tulku are 
> too 
> > > deep and complex to explain like this. But my eyes were opened 
> on 
> > > many, many things that directly apply to how the Masters 
project 
> > > their Image and Mind, send messages, make use of a chela 
> remotely 
> > and 
> > > so many other modes that are a unique ability of the Mahatma or 
> > full 
> > > Adept. When H.P.B. spent five weeks exteriorized from her 
> physical 
> > > body where else but in Tibet and Tulku are the further allowed 
> > > details found about this? 
> > > > 
> > > > This work will always remain with me and in my library it 
> offers 
> > > deep understanding and explanations not found in any other 
> > > Theosophical works. At the time I first purchased my hardbound 
> > > edition from a rare book dealer I was very deeply involved in a 
> > most 
> > > phenomenal UFO Case in 1976, I was experiencing many things one 
> can 
> > > only read about in H.P.B.'s life --- conversant real time 
> > telepathy, 
> > > apportment of objects by the UFO Experiencer, Astral bells 
> ringing 
> > on 
> > > a regular basis, and much more! I was looking for something 
that 
> > > might explain who was the "Projector", how was it done, how can 
> > they 
> > > change time itself? And I found excellent correlates in Tibet 
> and 
> > > Tulku no where else have I found this important instructive 
> content 
> > > in more than 32 years. It was one of the things that caused me 
> to 
> > > find Theosophy many years ago.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > Sorry, it is not the language, it is me.I read it too quickly 
> and
> > > > think directly, better forget the thinking by reading.And I 
> had 
> > some
> > > > one on WinLive messager, so too much.Later when I read again 
I 
> > saw 
> > > you
> > > > say the right thing they pointed out on page 144.
> > > > But indeed how they could take off one of the lower 
> principles, 
> > then
> > > > she would have been not completed by herself.Possibly she was 
> not 
> > > and
> > > > for that they give her the 7th and take off the motive for 
> talk, 
> > so 
> > > a
> > > > part of the fifth away.
> > > > 
> > > > Opera browser have problems with this group, for all this 
> > messages 
> > > are
> > > > not there.I opened in my other browser.
> > > > 
> > > > i have the book for some months, so I have not read all.
> > > > Christina
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Christina,
> > > > > Thanks for your comments. We must have a language thing 
> here. I
> > > > said they retained One of the Seven Principles of her Economy 
> of
> > > > Being. I didn't say which one. You through translation 
between 
> > > English
> > > > and Dutch missed my true meaning. But thanks for you reply I 
> am 
> > > happy
> > > > that you have read T.T. , I thought if anyone has it would be 
> you 
> > > and
> > > > the thought was a truth.
> > > > > I appreciate your response and comments. My point was to 
> give 
> > some
> > > > expanded basis for accounting for some of the peculiarities 
> > observed
> > > > in Madame Blavatskys behaviors that create such a negative 
> > response
> > > > towards her.This was asked about by members here. How many 
> people
> > > > could do otherwise if they were missing one of the necessary
> > > > Principles of Wholeness of Being? I don't want to predefine 
> from 
> > my
> > > > own views for others so I hope they will read Tibet and Tulku 
> and
> > > > benefit. The Tulku are the Sky Walkers and Nirmanakaya from a 
> > > Tibetan
> > > > view. I got a kick when I first watched Star Wars and the 
Hero 
> was
> > > > Luke Skywalker who had a real Skywalker ( Obe 1 kenobi) as 
his 
> > > Mentor
> > > > (a correlate metaphor for the Mahatma). In my view I was 
> greatly
> > > > helped in grasping many things one reads of in the History of 
> her 
> > > life
> > > > and without the explanations detailed in this Book I would 
> never 
> > > have
> > > > had the expanded view on how the "Communication" actually 
> takes 
> > > place
> > > > between the Brothers and Blavatsky and others
> > > > > and the several different modes that are used in different 
> > forms.
> > > > You having read it know this, it will always be with you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > 
> > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > Thank you , for you the same wishes and that the world may 
> have 
> > > more
> > > > > peace.Especially the people on it.
> > > > > NASA is realy great and does not earn people write stupid 
> books 
> > on
> > > > > them.Here we have Delft and Eindhoven , which technology 
> they 
> > > share.
> > > > > Now we produce a new collapsible bookreader, which we can 
> use 
> > very
> > > > > easy and also can be weared in GSM's. Easy to take with 
you, 
> > put a
> > > > > card reader or readingUSB stick in it and you have a total 
> from 
> > > more
> > > > > than 160 gig to take with you.Very handy.All theosophical 
> books 
> > > in a
> > > > > minute .It reads better than from a book for it have a 
> better 
> > > reading
> > > > > field and have special light, better for the eyes.
> > > > > This year we bring it on the market.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have read pag 143/4 - 363/4/5 in my book T and T from 
> > Barborka.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Her emotional expression is one of the square underlying 
> > > principles,
> > > > > so normally and (why they take the seventh principle
 ?),that 
> > would
> > > > > bring a disaster to her and the world, they never should do 
> > that.
> > > > > That you have read wrong. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > She needed to prepare the way for mankind.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And the fact of the 7 th principle in the complete human 
> > > being.That
> > > > > is the point.Otherwise the human being is not complete and 
a 
> > > danger
> > > > > for himself and others.
> > > > > 
> > > > > She needed to show and exercizing the siddhis of the 6th 
> > > principle in
> > > > > human, so she could warn us for the danger in them.As we 
all 
> > know 
> > > one
> > > > > can do good with the Ajna developement, but also do wrong 
> with 
> > > it. It
> > > > > is the heaviest power we have.For that she must have had 
the 
> > > seventh
> > > > > principle , otherwise she would fallen down into and 
staying 
> in 
> > > that 6
> > > > > principle and a danger, if no control from the 7 
> th.Sahasrara. 
> > > > > The 7(sahasrara) and the 6(ajna) are to be needed to stay 
in 
> the
> > > > > higher mind and come out of the lower mind.That is what I 
> know.
> > > > > But she lived in a time of no developement like we have now 
> and 
> > > most 
> > > > > people were very crazy of mediumship and spiritism.If that 
> > should 
> > > go
> > > > > on, we would have the atlantis from the past, better we 
have 
> > the 
> > > post
> > > > > atlantic period now and the possibility to turn back to 
> > spiritual
> > > > > developement, which brings wisdom, wealth and happines.
> > > > > That is what jezus predicted , the kingdom of god, the 
> kingdom,=
> > > > > nothing outside, but inside ourselves; the total 
> developement 
> > in 
> > > the
> > > > > human to become human, human with Divinesoul, Spiritualsoul 
> and
> > > > > Humansoul, Atma,Buddhi,Manas in one person, the UNITY 
> working 
> > > with the
> > > > > 4 lower principles, all together.All need to be 
> perfected.That 
> > is 
> > > the
> > > > > way.And happely we have not all the same, psychophysical
> > > > > conditionsThan we would be like the UNOX sausage.
> > > > > Christina
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > Hi and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for the neat useful 
> > links 
> > > for
> > > > > NASA they are really great archives. I agree with you NASA
> > > > > historically has had many, many other Nation Partners then 
> and 
> > > today
> > > > > also. Like The ESA of the European Union, The Japanese 
Space 
> > > Agency,
> > > > > The Australian Partnership that Tracking and Data Receipt 
> > Station 
> > > is
> > > > > still there now and has recently been engaged in providing 
> the 
> > > similar
> > > > > services as it did during the Apollo Missions among others. 
> We 
> > > also
> > > > > have Brazilian and other South American Partners in Space 
> and 
> > many
> > > > > tracking Stations all over the World with the complete 
> consent 
> > and
> > > > > agreement of the Governments of many Nations.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The entire World sat rapt in utter amazement and watched 
> and
> > > > > listened to the Moon Missions and the Moon landings. All 
> over 
> > the
> > > > > world the media received and recorded it at each and 
> everyone 
> > of 
> > > the
> > > > > TV Stations and Radio Stations of the "FREE WORLD" that 
> > > rreceivedand
> > > > > resent the live signal out to their populace! The exception 
> > were 
> > > those
> > > > > behind the Iron Curtain of the Soviet EMPIRE and the other 
> > > hegemony of
> > > > > the Communist Ghouldom!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > These Redactionists of history invent strawman and red 
> herring
> > > > > issues for political agendas even today they just cannot 
> accept 
> > > they
> > > > > lost WWII and they lost the Cold War and they will always 
> remain
> > > > > losers to rational people anywhere on earth.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, when I posted about pages 143-44 of Tibet and Tulku 
> is 
> > was
> > > > > because i wanted to point to what was done to H.P.B. by the 
> > > Brothers
> > > > > -----they removed 1 of her seven principles from her and 
> > retained 
> > > it
> > > > > in their keeping to serve several purposes, the result of 
> this 
> > is 
> > > seen
> > > > > in her personality and temperament. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > John 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > > > Cass,
> > > > > > I think, the NASA( are not only Americans)and also work 
in 
> > > > > > company with Swiss can have LOL about all the stupids on 
> > > > > > earth.
> > > > > > Why you think you have INTERNET
> > > > > > Why you think we have solar cells to warm the houses?
> > > > > > Why you think we have digital camera's and all kind off 
> stuff 
> > > > > > we can use now and with pleasure if you use it well.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then what they go to find out more.I keep silent!I will 
> see.
> > > > > > Christina
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
> <silva_cass@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trouble is Christina, I don't trust NASA
> > > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For people want to know more see: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Slides 8x8 made by Hasselblatt camera by Armstrong or 
> Aldin.
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/ch14-
> > 4.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > From there you can f ind a lot of stuff they give for 
> > seeing.
> > > > > > > Most pictures are made by 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > crew.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4204/
> cover.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4214/
> cover.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/
> cover.html
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