Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00092)

Hi John, I see similar things.So I need to pick up this book hardly 
to read.


You give a vision I can follow and agree with you.Atma and Buddhi 
there are.They are working together with the brain.Hypofyse and 
epifyse and the Central Nervous System(sympatic)The Higher 
MIND.=Higher Manas.The TRIADE.
  

The Manas, that is it,the separation Higher, lower manas; 
if you overflow the desires of the lower manas, possibilities are 
great.That does not mean one may not have desires, but don't need to 
be a slave of it.

Masters said that they are not Adepts, as far as I have read from KH.



Maybe I find answers on things I noticed in my life.Thank you to let 
me put attention to T and T.book.


I shall search by myzelf for that question.I know KH was gone in 
retraite in that way and then Morya needed to do his work, while M 
was not a good writer, he said.He misses his friend much. And later 
KH was there again in physical state.So if the antakarana is not 
broken one can flow in and out.

You mentioned 1976, there I have had special, exciting phenemenons.I 
painted in aquarel.No words to be find for that.
After I came to theosophy I saw reasons for that.First I thought I get
crazy and if I did not,  my surroundings made it.On work they thought 
I used drugs and so on.I never touch any drug, except coffee or tea 
or wine, but in normal quantities.
Possibly I find also answers in this special book.
Don't forget ML in between they give a lot of advices.
Christina


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Christina,
>    Thanks for your comments and reply. Well, I don't want to give 
the impression that I have any special knowledge of how this was 
effected on H.P.B. what I say is only my personal opinion. First I 
hold the view that the Seventh Atmic and Sixth Buddhic Principals are 
both Transcendental immutable unchangable and beyond the ability to 
effect of even Mahatma or Dhyana Buddha for even they are 
Personalizations. So what remains that is not of Transcendental State 
are the five lower Principles the Sthula, Prana, Linga, Kama, Manas 
(divided of upper and lower mind). I believe it was one of these that 
was separated and retained during her Initiations in Tibet. According 
to Tibet and Tulku one thing this facilitated when the ability to 
communicate to a higher permanent degree with  her at all times and 
to allow the direct use of her vehicle when desired. Her Astral Bell 
that she always heard on the current signaling the approach or 
nearness of her Masters or a special important message. Pe
> rhaps it also was a mechanism that made possible her ability to 
make use of Akashic Records to read and transcribe directly the 
literary contents she placed in her works. In addition it is said 
that by retaining the Principle her Oath of Silence was insured, for 
to violate it would cause permanent loss to her of this Principle.
> 
>   There is some indication that the Ancient Egyptian also had some 
type of knowledge in this matter regarding the "Shabti" and 
energization that permitted unique interface with the individual in 
works that are not Theosophical and deal especially with Egyptian 
Matters only. 
> 
> The depth and breath of the contents of Tibet and Tulku are too 
deep and complex to explain like this. But my eyes were opened on 
many, many things that directly apply to how the Masters project 
their Image and Mind, send messages, make use of a chela remotely and 
so many other modes that are a unique ability of the Mahatma or full 
Adept. When H.P.B. spent five weeks exteriorized from her physical 
body where else but in Tibet and Tulku are the further allowed 
details found about this? 
> 
> This work will always remain with me and in my library it offers 
deep understanding and explanations not found in any other 
Theosophical works. At the time I first purchased my hardbound 
edition from a rare book dealer I was very deeply involved in a most 
phenomenal UFO Case in 1976, I was experiencing many things one can 
only read about in H.P.B.'s life --- conversant real time telepathy, 
apportment of objects by the UFO Experiencer, Astral bells ringing on 
a regular basis, and much more! I was looking for something that 
might explain who was the "Projector", how was it done, how can they 
change time itself? And I found excellent  correlates in Tibet and 
Tulku no where else have I found this important instructive content 
in more than 32 years. It was one of the things that caused me to 
find Theosophy many years ago.
> 
> Regards,
> John 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@...> 
> Sorry, it is not the language, it is me.I read it too quickly and
> think directly, better forget the thinking by reading.And I had some
> one on WinLive messager, so too much.Later when I read again I saw 
you
> say the right thing they pointed out on page 144.
> But indeed how they could take off one of the lower principles, then
> she would have been not completed by herself.Possibly she was not 
and
> for that they give her the 7th and take off the motive for talk, so 
a
> part of the fifth away.
> 
> Opera browser have problems with this group, for all this messages 
are
> not there.I opened in my other browser.
> 
> i have the book for some months, so I have not read all.
> Christina
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Christina,
> > Thanks for your comments. We must have a language thing here. I
> said they retained One of the Seven Principles of her Economy of
> Being. I didn't say which one. You through translation between 
English
> and Dutch missed my true meaning. But thanks for you reply I am 
happy
> that you have read T.T. , I thought if anyone has it would be you 
and
> the thought was a truth.
> > I appreciate your response and comments. My point was to give some
> expanded basis for accounting for some of the peculiarities observed
> in Madame Blavatskys behaviors that create such a negative response
> towards her.This was asked about by members here. How many people
> could do otherwise if they were missing one of the necessary
> Principles of Wholeness of Being? I don't want to predefine from my
> own views for others so I hope they will read Tibet and Tulku and
> benefit. The Tulku are the Sky Walkers and Nirmanakaya from a 
Tibetan
> view. I got a kick when I first watched Star Wars and the Hero was
> Luke Skywalker who had a real Skywalker ( Obe 1 kenobi) as his 
Mentor
> (a correlate metaphor for the Mahatma). In my view I was greatly
> helped in grasping many things one reads of in the History of her 
life
> and without the explanations detailed in this Book I would never 
have
> had the expanded view on how the "Communication" actually takes 
place
> between the Brothers and Blavatsky and others
> > and the several different modes that are used in different forms.
> You having read it know this, it will always be with you.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > Thank you , for you the same wishes and that the world may have 
more
> > peace.Especially the people on it.
> > NASA is realy great and does not earn people write stupid books on
> > them.Here we have Delft and Eindhoven , which technology they 
share.
> > Now we produce a new collapsible bookreader, which we can use very
> > easy and also can be weared in GSM's. Easy to take with you, put a
> > card reader or readingUSB stick in it and you have a total from 
more
> > than 160 gig to take with you.Very handy.All theosophical books 
in a
> > minute .It reads better than from a book for it have a better 
reading
> > field and have special light, better for the eyes.
> > This year we bring it on the market.
> > 
> > I have read pag 143/4 - 363/4/5 in my book T and T from Barborka.
> > 
> > Her emotional expression is one of the square underlying 
principles,
> > so normally and (why they take the seventh principle ?),that would
> > bring a disaster to her and the world, they never should do that.
> > That you have read wrong. 
> > 
> > She needed to prepare the way for mankind.
> > 
> > And the fact of the 7 th principle in the complete human 
being.That
> > is the point.Otherwise the human being is not complete and a 
danger
> > for himself and others.
> > 
> > She needed to show and exercizing the siddhis of the 6th 
principle in
> > human, so she could warn us for the danger in them.As we all know 
one
> > can do good with the Ajna developement, but also do wrong with 
it. It
> > is the heaviest power we have.For that she must have had the 
seventh
> > principle , otherwise she would fallen down into and staying in 
that 6
> > principle and a danger, if no control from the 7 th.Sahasrara. 
> > The 7(sahasrara) and the 6(ajna) are to be needed to stay in the
> > higher mind and come out of the lower mind.That is what I know.
> > But she lived in a time of no developement like we have now and 
most 
> > people were very crazy of mediumship and spiritism.If that should 
go
> > on, we would have the atlantis from the past, better we have the 
post
> > atlantic period now and the possibility to turn back to spiritual
> > developement, which brings wisdom, wealth and happines.
> > That is what jezus predicted , the kingdom of god, the kingdom,=
> > nothing outside, but inside ourselves; the total developement in 
the
> > human to become human, human with Divinesoul, Spiritualsoul and
> > Humansoul, Atma,Buddhi,Manas in one person, the UNITY working 
with the
> > 4 lower principles, all together.All need to be perfected.That is 
the
> > way.And happely we have not all the same, psychophysical
> > conditionsThan we would be like the UNOX sausage.
> > Christina
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > > Hi and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for the neat useful links 
for
> > NASA they are really great archives. I agree with you NASA
> > historically has had many, many other Nation Partners then and 
today
> > also. Like The ESA of the European Union, The Japanese Space 
Agency,
> > The Australian Partnership that Tracking and Data Receipt Station 
is
> > still there now and has recently been engaged in providing the 
similar
> > services as it did during the Apollo Missions among others. We 
also
> > have Brazilian and other South American Partners in Space and many
> > tracking Stations all over the World with the complete consent and
> > agreement of the Governments of many Nations.
> > > 
> > > The entire World sat rapt in utter amazement and watched and
> > listened to the Moon Missions and the Moon landings. All over the
> > world the media received and recorded it at each and everyone of 
the
> > TV Stations and Radio Stations of the "FREE WORLD" that 
rreceivedand
> > resent the live signal out to their populace! The exception were 
those
> > behind the Iron Curtain of the Soviet EMPIRE and the other 
hegemony of
> > the Communist Ghouldom!
> > > 
> > > These Redactionists of history invent strawman and red herring
> > issues for political agendas even today they just cannot accept 
they
> > lost WWII and they lost the Cold War and they will always remain
> > losers to rational people anywhere on earth.
> > > 
> > > BTW, when I posted about pages 143-44 of Tibet and Tulku is was
> > because i wanted to point to what was done to H.P.B. by the 
Brothers
> > -----they removed 1 of her seven principles from her and retained 
it
> > in their keeping to serve several purposes, the result of this is 
seen
> > in her personality and temperament. 
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > John 
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > Cass,
> > > I think, the NASA( are not only Americans)and also work in 
> > > company with Swiss can have LOL about all the stupids on 
> > > earth.
> > > Why you think you have INTERNET
> > > Why you think we have solar cells to warm the houses?
> > > Why you think we have digital camera's and all kind off stuff 
> > > we can use now and with pleasure if you use it well.
> > > 
> > > Then what they go to find out more.I keep silent!I will see.
> > > Christina
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Trouble is Christina, I don't trust NASA
> > > > Cass
> > > > 
> > > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > For people want to know more see: 
> > > > 
> > > > Slides 8x8 made by Hasselblatt camera by Armstrong or Aldin.
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/ch14-4.html
> > > > 
> > > > From there you can f ind a lot of stuff they give for seeing.
> > > > Most pictures are made by 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo.html
> > > > 
> > > > http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/crew.html
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4204/cover.html
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4214/cover.html
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/cover.html
> > > > 
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