Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00048)

I don't have a problem with it either Frank.  All the hoo-ha over a naturally grown medicinal herb.
  Cass

Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de> wrote:
          Richard wrote:
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All we know about the personal lives of the founders is hearsay or
snatches in the letters they wrote to each other. I read somewhere that
HPB had to stop her carriage periodically on long trips to have a
cigarette and she rolled her own.

You have to wonder if these numerous smoke breaks were engendered from
a simple nicotine habit or if it wasnt a stronger addiction that drove
her to these constant interruptions.
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So, what? Why not stop for a cigarette?
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Whatever it was, it was an addiction of some sort that was in control
of her when self control is the basic tenet of progress on the Path.
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Why do you know that?
If smoking a cigarette is a sign for lost of self control and not being on 
the path, then Judge, Tingley, Purucker, Mahatma K.H., Mahatma M., the Maha 
Chohan and perhaps a lot of other people must also earn your compliments.
Perhaps smoking was a sign of self control?
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Now if the Masters were merely using her to convey their message than
that is a different matter and in that case HPB was only a messenger
and not a saint or even a chela.
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She never claimed that HPB was a saint, but from the usual description she 
might have easily been one if you only think in comparison of the saints of 
the church, often only because they have performed once or more lower 
siddhis.
To be a messenger of the Masters and not to be a chela seems contradictory. 
They have declared that she is a member of Their Brotherhood.
Do you think they take everone?
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I like the comment someone made about her dying in Italy at one point
whereupon a Master resusitated her and kept her going after that with
cigarettes. Never let it be said that Theosophists are not resourceful
in trying to protect their leader!
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It was in Elberfeld, Germany. Your point here is not clear to me. Why should 
she have not smoked? Because of the rescue of her life?
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The letters to Sinnett were also suspected in certain Theosophical
circles of being written by HPB posing as a Master.

I would be happy to research any of this if needed but its a known fact
that HPB was a heavy smoker with a dependence on tobacco and this was
probably the reason that schisms formed in the movement.
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If HPB wrote the Mahatma letters for herself, then ok, then she was very 
humble as the letters would make her 3 times bigger, she must have the 
consciousness of a Master to write such masterly letters.
That makes theosophy even more mystical, don't?
Smoking cigarettes as reason for splits in the movement?
Smoker versus non-smokers? -- 
As HPB, Judge and Tingley were smokers, then Besant and Leadbeater, Johnson, 
Crosbie then were non-smokers?
Who can confirm that?
Why not the splits because she had blue eyes?
Or because she liked patience?
Frank



                         

       
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