Re: Theos-World Pablo AND Frank on discrepancies between Purucker & Blavatsky
Jul 18, 2007 05:00 PM
by Pablo Sender
I just want to say I don't "reject all teachings which are not
expressed in "The Secret Doctrine" I think that's clear enough. I'm
just saying: You say AB and Leadbeater said different things from
HPB's teachings. So GdeP did. But of course, in the former case it is
pseudo theosophy, in the latter a deepening of it. That is what I
--- In email@example.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@...>
> in regard to myself I can agree with all reserves you mention.
> I think it is a healthy sign to have too much reservations against
> position or "occult standing" as to have too less of them.
> Speaking for myself, I am as a lay not in a position to give
> doctrinal statements, but just my own understanding and meaning on
> of Pablo.
> Until know I have not fully understood Pablo's intention and see
> doctrinal differences between Purucker and Blavatsky as to their
> of the dogmas of theosophy.
> My intermediate result of my discourse with Pablo is, that he
> words and catches not the sense. Usually this lack of understanding
> lack of discriminition power (buddhi-manas), which is a sine qua
non in the
> occult realm, don't?
> When Pablo rejects all teachings which are not expressed in "The
> Doctrine" (although one can find hints to them), then logically he
> convinced that only one globe exists as the SD concerns mainly with
> globe, ergo: The first three globes must be a blind, there is only
> globe!! Judeo-Christian talmudic dead-letter!
> But, Daniel, as you write:
> =>I personally have preferred to focus my attention, time and study
> the teachings as first given out by H.P.B. and in the Mahatma
> ... I have to object this, because it was and is not the intention
> HPB as of her teachers to focus the attention that way.
> That would make a museum out of Theosophy, a dead thing, a kind of
> Vatican (only will a better "bible").
> We are now in danger to fall into the old trodden astral tracks of
> 2,000 years ago and repeat the deadly mistakes as reincarnated
> We must not repeat and repeat endless the old scenes like Phil
> (again a "Co"...:-))) in Griondhog Day...:-)))
> Your position reminds me of the fundamentalist position of the ULT,
> people who obviously believe that after HPB's and/or Judge's death
> occult machines have stopped and no further advancement was
possible and no
> new teachings were given out.
> GdeP declared half-publicly that he was sent my the Masters of
> give out NEW teachings, which the three messengers preceding him in
> guruparampara were not allowed, because the time was not reap.
> Real theosophy is a living thing and living things must not locked
> stick on HPB and ML would lead to crystallized, bigot and
> It is against all written and unwritten teeachings we have from HPB
> She herself directed us, the theosophists of the future, to follow
> spirit, not in dead letter) and keep the link unbroken and
> her last incarnation not a failure.
> That were her last words before changing the stage and that was
> symbol on her last photo to us.
> "It is needless to explain that this book is not the Secret
Doctrine in its
> entirety, but a select number of fragments of its fundamental
> special attention being paid to some facts which have been seized
> various writers, and distorted out of all resemblance to the truth."
> "But these two volumes had to serve as a PROLOGUE, and prepare the
> mind for those which shall now follow. [...]"
> "These two volumes only constitute the work of a pioneer who has
> way into the well-nigh impenetrable jungle of the virgin forests of
> of the Occult. A commencement has been made to fell and uproot the
> upas trees of superstition, prejudice, and conceited ignorance, so
> these two volumes should form for the student a fitting prelude for
> III. and IV. Until the rubbish of the ages is cleared away from the
> the Theosophists to whom these volumes are dedicated, it is
> the more practical teaching contained in the Third Volume should be
> understood. Consequently, it entirely depends upon the reception
> Volumes I. and II. will meet at the hands of Theosophists and
> whether these last two volumes will ever be published, though they
> almost completed.
> "One turn of the key, and no more, was given in "Isis." Much more is
> explained in these volumes. In those days the writer hardly knew the
> language in which the work was written, and the disclosure of many
> freely spoken about now, was forbidden. In Century the Twentieth
> disciple more informed, and far better fitted, may be sent by the
> Wisdom to give final and irrefutable proofs that there exists a
> called Gupta-Vidya; and that, like the once-mysterious sources of
> the source of all religions and philosophies now known to the world
> for many ages forgotten and lost to men, but is at last found."
> Judge confirms HPB's prediction, that in the 20th century a "more
> disciple" will come "to give and irrefutable proofs that there
> Science called Gupta-Vidya", cp. his "Echoes of the orient", Vol.
I, p. 283.
> WHO WAS IT??? DID HE COME OR DID HE/SHE/IT NOT COME?
> Elsewhere K.H. states that the TS is but the pioneer for greater
> come in the next centuries. From the Mahatma's point of view, from
> or superhuman view, it would look quite idiotic to asume that the
> world stopped with the passing of HPB or someone else. From that
> view even the erratic und lunatic position of a Besant is much
closer to the
> So, if you say: It does not concern me, what HPB's successors in
> transmission line said, I have enough to read with the SD and ML
> agree, it's a full time and life life time job!) is the same as to
> high schools and universities must be closed, because in the
> is so much to learn and that is enough and even most of the adults
> understand all the stuff of a primary school if you would ask on
> Or take the Amish people. They say: We need no tv, no phone, no
> no automobiles, horses and candelars are enough!!!
> As the Christians perverse their Jesus, above all the "Jesuits", the
> Theosophists pervert the Theosophy of HPB.
> From now on I speak of those anti-Blavatskian Blavatsky-
"Theosophist" not as
> pseudo-theosophists, but as Amish-theosophists!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: danielhcaldwell
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:17 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Pablo AND Frank on discrepancies between
> Pablo AND Frank
> on discrepancies between Purucker & Blavatsky
> Well, after reading both Pablo's and Frank's postings
> on the above issue, I would say that neither writer
> has presented a good case....at least so far.
> But setting aside both Frank's and Pablo's views, the basic problem
> would appear to be as follows:
> What student of Theosophy has actually carefully read and studied
> H.P.B.'s writings in enough depth and detail to be in
> a position to say this is what H.P.B. teaches on [NAME THE SUBJECT,
> in this case on the Kumaras]??
> Then has that same student then gone and carefully
> read and studied all of G. de Purucker's writings
> in enough depth, etc. to understand what he is teaching on this
> or that subject???
> And then, who has taken the additional time and effort
> to compare and contrast the teachings of Blavatsky and
> Purucker in enough depth, etc. so that one is in a good position
> to know if there are actually such real discrepancies or not???
> The above study would take probably years to adequately do!
> Over the years I have known students on both sides of the fence.
> For example, the late Walter Carrithers, Jr. and Leona Sterba had
> some serious reservations about some of G. de Purucker's teachings.
> Especially Mr. Carrithers. Others pesons could be mentioned.
> On the other hand, there are many students who are very impressed
> with Purucker's teachings. The late John Cooper, Jerry Hejka-Edkins,
> Elton Tucker, to just name a few!
> I personally have preferred to focus my attention, time and study on
> the teachings as first given out by H.P.B. and in the Mahatma
> Well, for one reason, there is more than 10,000 pages of H.P.B. and
> the Mahatmas' writings. That's alot of pages! Just to read! not
> counting the time to actually study and ... maybe understand!
> I personally find SO MUCH MATERIAL here in this Blavatsky corpus of
> writings that is more than enough to try to read, study and .....
> I'm afraid that in many cases I've only skimmed the surface of some
> of this Blavatsy/Mahatma literature.
> Maybe I have a small brain capacity....
> Now don't get me wrong, I have also read some of the books by
> Judge, Leadbeater, Purucker, etc. etc. All of these books that I
> have read contain food for thought, if nothing else.
> But I have focused primarily on the Blavatsky material simply
> at some point, one must ask oneself: how many books by all these
> different authors do I want to read? And what is to be accomplished
> by reading more and more....
> So I have returned time and time again to the Blavastky
> writings ...those 10,000 plus pages...and I find myself amazed at
> profundity and depth there....
> I sometimes grin to myself when I hear writers say: Well, you know
> that H.P.B. only presented a "fragment" of the real Theosophical
> teachings. No doubt, No doubt, I reply. But what a fragment! What
> a HUGE fragment!
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