Re: Without Faith we can not pray.
Jun 26, 2007 08:28 PM
Thank you for your response.
You write, "It is a misunderstanding to say that prayer is rather
"internal command." It is better to say that prayer is done by
internal opening to "The High" for a look in need. It is then left to
"The High" to decide what to do."
Your opinion may well be correct however it appears to manifestly
compromise the theosophical philosophy of Madame Blavatsky and her
By changing her phrase "internal command" to your own "internal
opening" and by leaving it to "The High to decide", it seems your
position supports not only the notion of separation between what you
term "The High" and humanity, but also the idea of an external, all-
wise, determining authority.
If this is what you are saying, this would seem to contradict the
second fundamental proposition of Madame Blavatsky and her teachers'
version of theosophy which describes the essential unity of each
human being with the Universal Oversoul.
Was this your intention?
If so, the implications and ramifications of this position are
profound and far-reaching. Among many other considerations, in
philosophical terms it can lead to what religion perceives as the
necessity for an external, authoritative intermediary between
ourselves and "God" in the form of priests, bishops and cardinals et
al. In practical terms, this facilitates a hierarchical, superiority
mindset, usually taking the form of patriarchy which is not only
separative and discriminatory, but disempowering towards
approximately one half of the world's population, women.
>From my perspective, the Theosophy of Madame Blavatsky and her
teachers is quite specifically different from this philosophical
Am I understanding your position accurately?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Sveinn Freyr <Sven04@...> wrote:
> Nigel -
> Thank you for presenting the text from the Key to Theosophy. It
> to hand useful to clarify Blavatsky's position on prayer:
> There are some factors that I want to comment on. When we enter The
> Monad Wheel by going through the "Philosophers Stone" then we have
> unified with our Spirit Man in the Monad. When the person man, the
> soul man and the Spirit Man can unify in conscious cooperation, then
> the Monad is about to burst open. Experiencing unification in the
> Monad Wheel gives much knowledge and there is much to learn and see.
> What is the most worth to notice is how our LOGOS embraces all. He
> ever present with all, and embracing all and that gives JOY.
> It is a misunderstanding to say that prayer is rather done by
> "internal command." It is better to say that prayer is done by
> internal opening to "The High" for a look in need. It is then left
> "The High" to decide what to do. Most often these cases in need are
> the Ether World.
> - Extract from the Key to Theosophy:
> ENQUIRER. Is there any other kind of prayer?
> THEOSOPHIST. Most decidedly; we call it WILL-PRAYER, and it is
> an internal command than a petition.
> ENQUIRER. To whom, then, do you pray when you do so?
> THEOSOPHIST. To "our Father in heaven" -- in its esoteric meaning.
> Sveinn Freyr
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