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Free Energy, Seeking some advice re: and Elizabeth Claire Prophetperson attending a Theosophical Group.

Feb 19, 2007 07:10 PM
by Thomas Withey

Thanks Mark,

For your article on Free Energy. Some inventors  of it I was aware of, other
I was not.  I attended one Tesla Conference ten years ago, and also attended
a conference at the Orgone Bio Physics Lab up in Oregon run by Dr. James De
Meo  in which there were two Germain MDs presenting information on using
Orgone Energy on patients.   It is interesting that several people who used
Reichıs weather engineering machines were struck by lightning, almost as if
the elementals were taking a hand in preventing it.

I have a few questions of the group, one on how you all handle ECP
(Elizabeth Claire Prophet) people.  I have one of these in my Theosophy
Study Group who claims communications with the Masters, who seem to meddle
in her every day affairs, only stopping so far as to tell her what
restaurants to go to!   I gave her a copy of Daniel Caldwellıs compilation
from the Mahatma Letters on Psychic versus Initiate Visions and Knowledge
which I greatly appreciated him posting.   She is extremely intelligent,
erudite, educated and in control from what I have observed, otherwise.

She was ECPıs personal secretary for eight years in Montana, and recently
she gave me a hard drive that she received from Montana of audio and video
lectures form CUT (Church Universal and Triumphant) believing it only
contained  a hundred or so audio and video files and asked me to reduce the
full files to Mp3s and mp2 to cut down on space.  As it turned out the files
were already compressed and if I recall correctly there were 3,400 audio and
video lectures gong all the way back to before 1970.  (This included her
Shasta Convention of 1975 where she channeled Jesus, Maitreya, Buddha, the
Quan Yin, Mother Mary  etc. etc- she certainly had a monopoly on  the
spiritual Hierarchy in 1975!  I mentioned that they all sounded like the
same person). 

I wish I had time to do a thorough analysis to point out the  discrepancies
or differences between what ECP taught and the HPB and Theosophical
literature.    Are any of you aware of any such article?   She gave me a
book by a Guy Ballard, of the I AM movement, and it was rife with
differences and the book was very fantastical. There was a very friendly
Puma that accompanied the La Comte  De St. Germain and a lot of gold mines
in the  Grand Tetons and secret treasures.

I guess I leave it at that.


On 2/19/07 4:03 AM, "Mark Jaqua" <> wrote:

> Re: Acoustic Levitation, etc.
>  Tom Withey writes:
>> >It is interesting that many scientific experiments, particularly those
> dealing with ³free energy² devices, work when the inventor is
> present, but do not work when they are away from the experiment.   HPB if I
> recall, 
> made this comment as does  Dr. William A. Tiller, PhD, retired from
> Stanford.  However, if memory serves me correctly,  Keely, who had heard  of
> this
> statement from HPB,  disputed it.< (full post below)
>  Yeah, I remember the comment about
> Keely by Blavatsky - that _He_ was the
> reason his machines work, and that they
> wouldn't for others.  This goes along
> with the idea / paradigm that the person
> is controlling certain elemental forces
> (sounds sort of like just good old time
> magic.)  One could say that all the
> mechanisms are partly just a "prop" to
> encourage the person that to use his
> own matter-altering abilities.  (Would
> a modern computer work if transported
> a thousand years ago - where no one
> believed in such things?)  People have
> rapport with different elemental kingdoms
> of nature - like the person who has a
> "knack" at mechanics, or the natual artist.
> Endersby in "Theosophical Notes" has a
> long article on a radionics invention, and
> says mostly that it is a way of altering
> physical reality.  A lot of borderland
> experimentation probably is also just
> "hard science" that no one has devoted
> sufficient energy to understanding.
>  Below is more minutae on sound and
> vibration borderline science inventions
> from an article in TAT Journal
> (mine under a pen-name.)
>  WE LIVE IN A WORLD of mechanical gadgets.  We use them every day in our
> homes, automobiles and occupations.  Most of us have only a vague idea of how
> our car, electric mixer or radio works - but all continue working nonetheless.
> We believe the reason our gadgets work is because they are based on mechanical
> principles or laws as concrete as the physical world itself.  It is
> paradoxical that these "immutable physical laws" are created after the fact of
> finding some principle that works.  Electricity was originally thought to be
> on the same level as voodoo and magic, but after it was continually proven to
> be a predictable force it entered the world of science and physical law.
>  Our physical laws and principles are established after proving that a new
> force or power "works" and is predictable.  Thomas Edison refused to work with
> Nikola Tesla on his alternating current system because he thought it was
> impossible that such a system could operate.  Tesla proved it did work,
> contrary to theory, and today Tesla's system is used in all the electric power
> generating systems in the world.  Theories were formed to adequately explain
> it after it was discovered to work.  One hundred and fifty years ago chemists
> were successfully predicting and carrying out experiments even though today we
> have proven that their basic premises were completely false.  How were they
> able to have successful results when they were operating according to
> erroneous theories?  There may be a super-principle at work here that we are
> not aware of.
> Hendershot's Fuelless Motor
>  In the back pages of newspapers and magazines through the years we can find
> scores of claimed discoveries of new forces and inventions of motors that work
> on no known principle.  These stories generally find a place in someone's
> scrapbook and then are heard of no more.  On February 28, 1928 Lester
> Hendershot made front-page headlines across the nation with his invention of a
> "fuelless motor."  Hendershot claimed to develop power with his device by
> cutting the earth's magnetic field as our normal generator cuts its own
> magnetic field.  The story was in the papers for ten days until a small notice
> indicated that Hendershot was in the hospital recovering from a 2000-volt
> shock he received while demonstrating his device to some investors.  The
> Pittsburgh Press claimed that he had been taken in for a mental examination.
>  Hendershot's machine was not actually a motor but a generator.  It developed
> electricity which could power another motor but did not produce any usable
> motion itself.  The idea for the generator first came to him in a dream in his
> early twenties.  He forgot the idea for several years and supposedly was
> motivated to start working on it to replace the broken motor in his child's
> toy airplane.  His first working model was created out of the parts of a
> worn-out radio and would only operate when lined up north and south.  After
> two years more work he was able to develop a model that worked facing any
> direction.
>  Word traveled quickly that Hendershot had developed an unusual invention and
> he was invited by Air Corps Commander Lamphier to demonstrate his model at
> Selfridge Field in Detroit.  Lamphier was greatly impressed and immediately
> had technical crews begin developing a larger model.  Charles Lindbergh
> observed the machine in operation and also was very impressed.  William Mayo,
> chief engineer of Ford Motor Company, and William Stout, developer of the
> three-motor design of airplanes popular in the `20's and `30's, also
> investigated the device in operation and pronounced it genuine.  The model
> developed at Selfridge Field was able to light two 100-watt light bulbs or
> power a small sewing machine.  Pilots and technicians at the Field praised it
> as the "greatest invention of the age."
>  Hendershot's model consisted of some basket-woven coils of wire, stainless
> steel rings about three inches in diameter and some Anico magnets.  It weighed
> less than ten pounds and any fraud could be easily observed.  Hendershot said
> that the trick was to get just the right proportion of each of the materials.
> Wrong proportions resulted in it quickly "burning out."  It was pre-set when
> made to turn at a certain speed and put out a certain power.
>  It would seem that a great discovery had been made.  Reputable men sang the
> praises of the machine and, beyond any doubt, it had proved to be a workable
> invention - even though it operated on no known principle.  About this time
> some very curious things began to happen.  For some unknown reason a
> distinguished scientist, Professor Hoffstetter of Pittsburgh, rushed to New
> York and rented at his own expense a large lecture hall to deliver a speech to
> "debunk the fraud of the Hendershot motor."  He declared, among much other
> rhetoric, that if this invention were accepted it would "destroy faith in
> science for one thousand years."  He said that he had found a small carbon
> battery in one of the models and that this was the source of its power.
> Newspapers accepted Hoffstetter's claims and soon no more was heard of the
> motor - despite the fact that there had been no solid evidence whatsoever to
> prove the motor a fraud.
>  It was also curious that Hendershot became paralyzed from a 2000 volt bolt of
> electricity from a machine he had been working on and grown familiar with for
> several years.  If his machine could develop 2000 volts it would seem to
> validate his claims rather than prove any fraud.  After the supposed accident,
> Hendershot was paralyzed in arms and legs and palate (so he could talk to no
> one?).  In Wild Talents Charles Fort postulated:  "What I pick up, is that
> there must have been an alarm that was no ordinary alarm somewhere."  F.D.
> Fleming in a 1950 Fate Magazine article suggested that Hendershot was bought
> off and his invention relegated to oblivion by big business which had much at
> stake in coal and oil technology.
>  The Hubbard Energy Transformer
>  A 1919 front-page headline reported that Alfred Hubbard had developed an
> amazing machine that could transform radioactive emissions directly into
> electric power.  This is impossible according to modern theory yet Hubbard
> made a public demonstration of the "Hubbard Energy Transformer" with no
> trickery or fraud ever discovered.  The headline of the December 17, 1919
> Seattle Post-Intelligencer reads, "Hubbard's New Energy Device No Fake, Says
> Seattle College Man."  The "college man" was Professor of Physics Dr. William
> Smith who told the newspapers, "I unhesitantly say that Hubbard's invention is
> destined to take the place of existing power generators, and that within a few
> years it will have advanced the whole theory and practice of electricity
> beyond the dreams of present day scientists."
>  In a public demonstration Hubbard connected his transformer in a boat to a
> 35-horsepower electric motor.  The small 11-inch diameter by 14-inches in
> length transformer was able to power the boat at a good speed around Seattle's
> Pratage Bay for several hours.  Fraud was impossible since enough batteries to
> power the boat for that period of time could not be concealed on board.  The
> impossibility of fraud was undoubtedly why Hubbard chose to conduct his
> exhibition using a boat.
>  Gaston Burridge gives a rough description of Hubbard's device.  At the center
> was a hollow non-magnetic tube wrapped in copper wire.
> [[Illustration:  This photograph of Alfred Hubbard demonstrating his "energy
> transformer" appeared in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in 1919.]]
>  Within the hollow tube was series of small magnetic rods packed in a
> radioactive material so that none of the rods made contact with each other.
> Around this tube were eight coils of wire wrapped upon what seemed to be eight
> cores of magnetic iron.  From the windings Burridge said that the device
> seemed to be a "step-up" transformer rather than the "step-down" type.  There
> were four lead-out wires and the whole device was encased in a dense material
> to prevent radiation leakage.  It resembled a giant spool and made no noise
> when in operation.
>  Shortly after this public demonstration Hubbard was employed by the Radium
> Chemical Company of Pittsburgh to develop his invention.  Several years later
> he quit the company when they demanded 75% rights from any of his
> developments.  Hubbard more or less disappeared;  at least there is no known
> information as to what happened to him.
>  Gaston Burridge inquired at the Radium Chemical Company in 1950 for
> information on Hubbard's work and was told that, "There is no information on
> the device you mention."
>  Anti-Gravity Discs
>  One of the most unusual para-science inventions is Townsend Brown's
> "anti-gravity discs."  For over thirty years Brown would demonstrate his discs
> to anyone who wished to see them.  His usual demonstration was to tie them to
> a pole with a tether and allow them to fly round and round in a circle under
> their own power.  They made a slight humming noise and gave off a light
> lavender glow in the dark.  Scientists who observed them generally refused to
> admit what they had seen or accredited the phenomenon to simple and known
> principles.  Brown was largely ignored in the United States but was asked in
> the 1950's by the French government to run some tests under the auspices of
> Air-France.  In one of these tests a disc was flown in a vacuum, thus
> eliminating any "lighter-than-air" explanations and the like.
>  The principle of the discs, according to Brown, is based on the little-known
> "Biefeld-Brown effect" which is easily demonstrated.  If a two-plate direct
> current condenser is balanced on a balance beam with an equal weight, and then
> given a charge - the condenser will actually rise into the air with a seeming
> loss of weight.  This will only occur if the positive pole of the condenser is
> placed upwards.  Charging the condenser will result in a movement in the
> direction of the positive pole.  (It is obvious that the most efficient form
> of this type of condenser is the same disc-shape "flying saucer!")
>  Of the three basic forces in Nature - electricity, magnetism and gravity - we
> know the relationship between electricity and magnetism but are still in the
> dark about the interaction of electricity and gravity.  Brown's discs may hold
> a key here since they demonstrate practically something we have no theoretical
> understanding of.  As of 1958 there were at least nineteen patents being
> worked on covering different aspects of the Biefeld-Brown phenomenon.
>  Deland's Magnetic Frost Guard
>  Many unusual inventions employ magnetism in one way or another.  In the
> 1930's John Deland developed a magnetic device that could prevent frost damage
> in fruit crops.  At one time this device was being used on several hundred
> acres of trees in California.  It has no moving parts but through the use of
> wires and magnets it seems to set up a force-field which prevents freezing
> when the temperature drops below 32 F.  In one demonstration a thermometer
> inserted into the middle of an unfrozen orange registered 20' F.  In the fall
> orchards protected by the device do not turn brown until several weeks after
> nearby trees.
>  Deland's construction consists of a vertical galvanized tower about twelve
> feet high with seven copper wires coming from a plywood plate at its top to
> the concrete footer at bottom.  The copper wires pass through the concrete and
> are radiated at 51' angles in 18-inch trenches 144 feet long.  One of the
> trenches must be pointed directly toward magnetic north.  At the end of each
> wire is an Alnico magnet.  The wire passes through this magnet to the surface
> and is pointed toward the top of the tower.
>  Deland first got his idea for his invention when passing on dog sled through
> the Chilkoot Pass in the Klondike during the 1897 gold rush.  He witnessed a
> spectacular display of the Aurora Borealis and was inspired that the powerful
> magnetic forces that caused the beautiful display could somehow be put to
> practical use.  In this unusual experience Deland claimed that he could
> actually hear the Aurora Borealis as well as see it.  The forces present were
> so strong that his dog's hair was caused to stand on end.  Deland never
> claimed to be a genius but only a hard-working inventor who had spent
> seventeen years perfecting his invention.  Earlier and similar devices to
> Deland's were worked on in Switzerland and Germany but were never developed to
> the point where they were used commercially.
>  Para-Science and Occultism
>  Static electricity has been employed in some strange inventions, especially
> in the fields of medicine and psychology.  Dr. Carl Wickland, an avowed
> spiritualist, developed a machine which he believed removed obsessive entities
> from neurotics and psychotics.  He subjected his patients to a powerful static
> charge which caused the troubling entities to leave the person and temporarily
> enter his wife, who was a medium.  A discussion was held with the entity
> through the voice of his wife and it was persuaded to leave the person and go
> to its proper place in a higher sphere.  Most of these entities were believed
> to be people who had died and did not realize they were dead yet.  Others were
> forcing their will upon the troubled person in order to enjoy different
> passions through them.  Wickland must have realized some success in this
> method since he practiced it for thirty years until the death of his wife.
>  The fringes of science and occultism blend into each other imperceptably.  In
> 1851 wealthy German industrialist Baron Reichenbach claimed he had found an
> all-pervasive fluidic force with various distinct properties.  He called the
> fluid Od or Odyle, named after the German god Odin and symbolizing an
> omnipresent power.  In this century [[Illustration:  Spiritualist, Carl
> Wickland, and his wife display his "static machine" which he used to drive
> obsessive entities from troubled persons into Mrs. Wickland, a medium.]]
>  German psychiatrist Wilhelm Reich claimed to have found a similar force which
> he labeled the Orgone.  Reich built an impressive set of theories and
> developed many instruments which demonstrated and used this force.  His most
> impressive was the "cloud buster" with which he claimed to be able to control
> the weather.
>  The most dramatic effect of this machine was the supposed dissipation of
> clouds wherever it was aimed.  It consisted of a row or rows of hollow metal
> pipes with one end aimed upward and supported by a rack and the other end
> grounded in water.  Orgone has an affinity for water and by aiming the cloud
> buster at a cloud, Orgone was drawn from the cloud into the water.  If the
> cloud buster had seven pipes then seven holes would appear in the cloud it was
> aimed at.  Weather was manipulated by changing the Orgone potential of the
> atmosphere wherever the cloud buster was aimed.  The Orgone instruments were
> some of the last developments of Reich's career and one may wonder if his
> brilliant mind hadn't grown unstable at this time - since he claimed his cloud
> buster created a hurricane and attracted flying saucers, among other things.
>  We like to believe that we have a "handle" on the physical universe, that we
> understand how things work, and that soon most mysteries will be solved.  This
> view is rapidly becoming outmoded.  Science, especially physics, is
> establishing that our "concrete" physical laws and principles form a shakier
> foundation than we formerly believed.  One physicist has even stated that
> before we thought of them, there were no such things as atoms!  Many
> inventions on the borders of science have been demonstrated beyond any doubt
> to actually work even though they contradict accepted laws or enter new
> territory where we have no guiding theories.  Charles Fort claimed that some
> of these inventors have a "wild talent" of being able to will a machine or
> principle to work contrary to accepted notions.  Some claim that electricity,
> automobiles and telephones work because we all "will together" and believe
> they will work.  Modern physicists have discovered that the world of atoms and
>  sub-atomic particles exists as much in the mind of the physicist as it does
> anywhere "out there" in a concrete, physical dimension. Perhaps this key to
> the microcosmic sub-atomic world also applies to our macrocosmic everyday
> life.
>  - (TAT Journal, No. 11, 1981)
>  -----------------
>> >5c. Acoustic Levitation, Bio-photons, Acupuncture,  Post-death HPB to
>  Posted by: "Thomas Withey" <>
> twithey007
>  Date: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:02 pm ((PST))
>>  >Hi all, 
>>  >Somewhere in storage I have the accounts of stone levitation that was
> reported in a book published in the 1930s by Tibetan Monks.   I also
> have a something like twelve NASA patents on acoustic levitation that were
> published in a journal called Sympathetic Vibratory Physics by Dale
> Pond. NASA could only levitate small object a few ounces in weight if I
> recall correctly 
>>  >Dale Pond is an adherent to the work of John Worrel Keely, who was
> mentioned by HPB in the Secret Doctrine (or was it Isis Unveiled?)  There is a
> website stating it has 10,000 pages of documents you can peruse.   He has his
> own theories, which I do not necessarily subscribe to.
>>  >This is a web article about the acoustic levitation of fluids, but not
> objects as done by NASA in the patents I have seen.
>>  >Also there is a Canadian rogue  mad scientist, who is well known in
> Canada, by the name of John Hutchinson, who levitates heavy items, some
> weighing a hundred  pounds with radio waves.  The phenomenon is called the
> Hutchinson Effect.  The effect is not always predictable, and some objects
> actually have fused with other objects, or spontaneously melted. He is the
> real 
> deal, not some pretender.  I have some videos showing the phenomenon also in
> storage. 
> - 34k
>>  >One last thing:
> It is interesting that many scientific experiments, particularly those
> dealing with ³free energy² devices, work when the inventor is
> present, but do not work when they are away from the experiment.   HPB if I
> recall, 
> made this comment as does  Dr. William A. Tiller, PhD, retired from
> Stanford. 
>>  >However, if memory serves me correctly,  Keely, who had heard  of this
> statement from HPB,  disputed it.
>>  >You might want to check out
>>  >And just as an aside,  I have somewhere articles from Science News
> magazine about scientists who have recorded acoustic communications of
> different
> organelles within the individual cells. I have a video or an article
> from the World Research Foundation that shows that beams of light placed at
> acupuncture points conducts up the meridian points, and another which
> from scientists who inject radio isotopes into the acupuncture points that
> they follow the meridian pathways.  I also have a book from Dr. Motoyama
> from Japan who did his thesis where he measured radiations coming from the
> chakras, and also  a video and audio cassette or two on the work of Dr.
> Valerie Hunt, retired UCLA professor, who recorded sounds coming from
> the points on the body where the chakras are.  All of these advances are
> still not definitive enough, and more sophistication of measuring equipment
> or new breakthroughs in technology may have to be forthcoming.  The recent
> advancement in super conducting magnetometers or SQUIDS as they are
> called, is promising.  One of these devices can detect the magnetic flux of
> the
> heart beating. 
>>  >Now, just as another aside,  in the Agni Yoga books, allegedly dictated
> by Master Morya to Helena Roerich, the wife of artist  Nicholas Roerich,
> there was a statement made about how important Spain was.    I also remember
> a statement made by WQ Judge that Ireland would eventually go into the
> sea again, and  that it had powerful ancient thought forms there from
> Atlantean times (I may be mistaken about this). He does say something to the
> effect that Ireland was a remnant of Atlantis.
>>  >Tom Withey,  tooting his horn at the UCLA Music Department.
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