Re: Theos-World agnostics, Re: Hi there, I'm new.
Jan 09, 2007 06:53 PM
In a message dated 1/9/07 7:07:36 AM, email@example.com writes:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, leonmaurer@ wrote:
> > As a theosophist however, one cannot be an "agnostic," or one
> > who considers that there might be a separate God entity that is
> > above and beyond the universe itself.
> What you describe is not an agnostic but the worst type of christian.
> Agnostics are those who deny to speculate as to existence or nature of
> God as the utterly unknowable. As a rule, they neither deny nor admit
> existance of God. Some hold the same position in regard to anything
Not speculating as to the "existence or nature of God as the utterly
unknowable" is tacitly considering that there may (or may not) be a possible God that
is outside of fundamental space itself -- which is not the view of a true
theosophist who flatly denies the possibility of the existence of such an extra
spatial God -- since theosophy is based on the fact that the universe cannot
have a supernatural cause of its phenomenal or natural existence. Thus,
studied theosophists cannot be "agnostic" but are fully convinced, and therefore,
know that there cannot be an extra spatial "Creator."
This fact of non supernatural origins (or manifestations), is because that
"primal beginning," can only be the zero (laya) point of absolute space itself,
that has the potential of pure spirit or consciousness, along with its
abstract motion (or cyclic spinergy) -- that is the causeless cause of all
matter-energy of any degree of substantiality. Thus, this absolute space of pure
spirit or consciousness and potential matter-energy, or "beness," being infinite in
itself, is only unknowable to "finite" minds that cannot conceive of either
zero or infinity.
That doesn't mean that its wholeness or mechanism of phenomenal manifestation
isn't knowable to those advanced students of theosophy who, like Adepts or
Masters, can see with the inner eye, have full use of their intuition, and can
correctly reason deductively as well as inductively.
Therefore, since all wisdom and memory of past cycles of universal phenomenal
existence is stored in that fundamental spinergy or Akasha, no outside God is
needed for each such apparent universal "creation" or cyclic manifestation.
Thus, from a theosophical point of view, atheism and agnosticism are
contradictory and mutually exclusive.
So, it follows that all true theosophists are "atheists"... But also are
"pantheists" who see God or pure spiritual consciousness as being inherent or
immanent throughout all of nature. This is so, because the zero-points of
absolute space are spread out everywhere in the vacuum between every apparent
particle of our metric space-time continuum.
Of course, agnosticism is one of the ideas that drive some people toward
studying theosophy... But, once one has gone deep enough to fully understand the
unity of all of nature, it will have to be thrown away like all our other
unfounded beliefs due to our former ignorance of the true nature of reality -- as
the Buddha saw it and other enlightened Masters and Adepts see it.
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