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Jan 04, 2007 07:24 AM
by carlosaveline



You say: 

"However Peck argues that valid feelings of guilt are important..."

I say: 

"In the ML, a Mahatma says that remorse "is a sure sign of Buddhic activity". 

So I must agree with your criticism about "new age" thinking and its neurotic avoidance of pain and painful  subjects.  In this, too, Scott Peck is perfectly in line and in harmony with esoteric philosophy. 

As to sexuality, esoteric philosophy guards an universal compassion for all ;  yet it is very firm in teaching  that sex, esoterically, is not about recreation or sport ; it is about having children ;  for  which, of course,  men need women, and vice-versa. 

HPB wrote making a direct relation between the decadence and end of civilizations and sexual and other forms of physical indulgence nand moral decay.  

Western and Eastern scriptures (Christian Bible, Jewish Torah, Taoist 'Wen-tzu') make that direct relation, too.  In fact, I made a long comparative study about that, but it is in Portuguese yet. 

Look at how things are now for our civilization, and you can recognize that direct relation between individual indulgence and collective decay. 

Regards,  Carlos.


Data:Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:50:07 -0000

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: Scott Peck on the Way

> Hello Carlos,
> I agree, M Scott Peck's book emphasize the importance of facing 
> issues squarely and honestly and examines some of the neuroses that 
> can arise from avoidance of honestly facing important issues.
> He speaks of what he calls "legitimate suffering" which is the often 
> painful process we may go through when acting on our conscience.
> The `new age' mindset and popular culture can often focus on how to 
> avoid suffering and seek pleasure for self by avoiding or ignoring 
> feelings of guilt.
> However Peck argues that valid feelings of guilt are important as 
> they are what hone our spiritual sensibilities and conscience.
> Of course there are neurotic and inappropriate forms of guilt but by 
> working carefully through these issues we can learn to discern what 
> areas in our life may need fine tuning and what psychological rackets 
> we may be still perpetuating,
> this process can be painful and troubling as we have been programmed 
> into a societal mindset that seeks pleasure and avoids pain.
> Some feelings of guilt can simply be religious or parental 
> programming that when we look at them are actually inappropriate and 
> harmful but we need to go through our own process to determine that 
> for ourselves.
> Some of the attitudes that I have seen towards homosexuality on this 
> list for example I would consider to be uncompassionate and 
> unenlightened but many people still seem to consider homosexuality to 
> be unnatural and a sin.
> I would argue that this comes from a societal and more than likely 
> religious program that sexuality has to manifest in a certain way and 
> that it is only for procreation.
> However for me this is simplistic and narrow reasoning and stems from 
> the seeming inability of religion to deal with sexuality in any kind 
> of reasoned, sensible and expansive way.
> Life is diverse in the way it manifests itself and so are different 
> ways we can examine and process things however if we are to try and 
> look at things freshly and with an open mind we need to try and 
> determine what is simple programming and what is actually a truer 
> point of view.
> Cheers
> Perry
> --- In, "cardosoaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Perry,
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > I guess Scott Peck's writings are rather compatible with
> > esoteric philosophy, and useful as to explain probationary
> > processes. 
> > 
> > By the way, tests are unavoidable from the very 
> > first step in the search for truth. 
> > 
> > Probation, or tests, is not exclusive to those who are 
> > "taken on probation" as disciples. 
> > 
> > Probation, seen as tests, occurs at all levels of life 
> development. 
> > 
> > A very good quotation, this, below.
> > 
> > 
> > Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In, "plcoles1" wrote:
> > 
> > "The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when 
> > we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For 
> it 
> > is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are 
> > likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different 
> ways 
> > or truer answers." M Scott Peck
> > 
> > Perry
> >
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