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Re: Theos-World RE: Difference between humans and animals?

Sep 03, 2006 03:47 PM
by MarieMAJ41

Friends, as far as I know, this was the last message to this forum from  
Dallas, a true theosophist, a true teacher. May he rest in the light that he so  
freely shared.
In a message dated 9/2/2006 8:41:15 AM Central Daylight Time, writes:



-----Original Message-----
From: W.Dallas  TenBroeck [mailto:_dalval14@earthlink.dal_ 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:31 AM
To: Theosophy Study  List
Subject: RE: Difference between humans and animals?
Importance:  High

8/16/2006 5:40 AM


May I observe in regard  to your discussion? 

As I see it: I quote from what you write  :

If the "the most important physical change that distinguishes Man  from 
the animals was the development of the opposed thumb. " is chosen as  a
physical criterion, then that unique power or intelligence, or  consciousness
which controls and directs the "opposed thumb" ought to be  identified and
investigated. How and where does it arise.? Who guides it?  If "I" am the
perceiver and director -- then I am always responsible -- and  I weave my
personal Karma from all the choices made in the past, and being  made now by
an act of my will. When was this change to conscious perception  and the
potentiality for a responsive choice started for we -- who are the  MANASIC

[  Quotes:

"...the Manasa Devas who endowed man with the consciousness of  his immortal
soul: that consciousness which hinders man "from foreseeing  death," and
makes him know he is  immortal.
(  Fn.: -- The monad of the animal is as immortal as that of man, yet  the
brute knows nothing of this; it lives an animal life of sensation just  as
the first human would have lived, when attaining physical development in  the
Third Race, had it not been for the Agnishwatta, and the Manasa  Pitris.")
[Myth of Prometheus, further explained.] SD II 525

"Every  form on earth and every speck (atom) in Space strives in its  efforts
towards self-formation to follow the model placed for it in the  "Heavenly
Man"...Its [atom's] involution and evolution, its external and  internal
growth and development, have all one and the same object--man; man  is the
highest physical and ultimate form on this earth; the MONAD in the  absolute
totality and awakened condition--as the culmination of the  divine
incarnations on Earth." S D I 183

"...a law inexorable, by  which man lifts himself by degrees from the state
of a beast to the glory  of a God. The rapidity with which this is done is
different with every  living soul; and the wretches who hug the primitive
task master, misery,  choose to go slowly through the tread-mill course
which may give them  innumerable lives of physical sensation-- whether
pleasant or painful,  well-beloved because tangible to the very lowest
senses. The Theosophist  who desires to enter upon occultism takes some of
Nature's privileges into  his own hands, by that very wish, and soon
discovers that experiences come  to him with double quick rapidity. His
business is then to recognize that  he is under--to him--new and swifter law
of Development, and to snatch at  the lessons that come to him...He sees that
it takes a very wise man to do  good works without danger of doing
incalculable harm. A highly  developed
adept in life may grasp the nettle, and by his great intuitive  powers, know
whom to relieve from pain and whom to leave in the mire that  is their best
teacher...None of us know the darkness which lurks in the  depths of our own
being until some strange and unfamiliar experience rouses  the whole being
into action...The ignorant doing of good works may be  vitally
is not the spirit of self-sacrifice, or of  devotion, or of desire to help
that is lacking, but the strength to acquire  knowledge and power and
intuition, so that the deeds done shall really be  worthy of the
"Buddha-Christ" spirit." HPB ART I, p.76-7

"The whole  individuality is centred in the three middle Principles or third
(MANAS),  and fifth (ASTRAL BODY) principles. During earthly life it is all
in the  fourth (KAMA-MANAS)in the  fourth (KAMA-MANAS)<WBR>, the cein th
individuality run its seven-fold  and upward course [ it ] has
to assimilate to itself the eternal-life power  residing but in the seventh
(ATMA), and then blend the three (4th, 5th  & 7th) into one--the 6th
(BUDDHI). Those who succeed in doing so become  Buddhas, Dhyan Chohans,
etc... The chief object of our struggle and  initiations is to achieve this
union while yet on this earth." M L  (Barker), pp. 77-8

"...unless the higher Self or Ego gravitates towards  its Sun--the Monad--the
lower Ego, or personal Self, will have the upper  hand in every case. For it
is this Ego, with its fierce selfishness and  animal desire to live a
Senseless life (Tanha), which is the "maker of the  tabernacle," as Buddha
calls it in Dhammapada..calls it in Dham

"...[the Agnishwatta Pitris] were destined to incarnate as the Egos  of the
forthcoming crop of Mankind. The human Ego is neither Atman nor  Buddhi, but
the higher Manas: the intellectual fruition and the  efflorescence of the
intellectual self-conscious Egotism--in the higher  spiritual sense. The
ancient works refer to it as Karana Sarira on the  plane of the Sutratma,
which is the golden thread on which, like beads, the  various personalities
of this higher Ego are strung...these beings were  RETURNING NIRVANEES, from
preceding Maha-Manvantaras-preceding Maha-Manvantaras-<WBR>-ages o
S D II 79

"...the "Ego" in man is a monad  that has gathered to itself innumerable
experiences through aeons of time,  slowly unfolding its latent potencies
through plane after plane of matter.  It is hence called the "eternal

The Manasic, or mind  principle, is cosmic and universal. It is the creator
of all forms, and the  basis of all law in nature. Not so with
consciousness. Consciousness is a  condition of the monad as a result of
embodiment in matter and the dwelling  in a physical form.
Self-consciousness, which from the animal plane looking  upward is the
beginning of perfection, from the divine plane looking  downwards is the
perfection of selfishness and the curse of separateness.  it is the "world
of illusion" that man has created for himself. "Maya is  the perceptive
faculty of every Ego which considers itself a Unit, separate  from and
independent of the One Infinite and Eternal Sat or 'be-ness'," (SD  I 329)
The "eternal pilgrim" must therefore mount higher, and flee from the  plane
of self-consciousness it has struggled so hard to reach."
WQJ Art  I p. 29

". man's spirit while not individual per se, yet preserves its  distinct
individuality in Paranirvana, owing to the accumulation in it of  the
aggregates, or skandhas that have survived after each death, from  the
highest faculties of the Manas. 

The most spiritual--i.The most spiritual--i.<WBR>e.,  the highest and di
personality follow Buddhi and  the Seventh Principle into Devachan (Swarga)
after the death of the  Monad...the individuality of the spirit-soul.afte
preserved to the end  of the great cycle (Maha-Manwantara) when each Ego
enters Paranirvana, or  is merged in Parabrahm...enters Paranirvana, or  
Brahma" or even  the Universal Pralaya...yet, when it ends, the same
individual Divine Monad  resumes its majestic path of evolution, though on a
higher, hundredfold  perfected and more pure chain of earths (266) than
before, and brings with  it all the essence of compound spiritualities from
its previous countless  rebirths." HPB ARTICLES III 265-6

"... SPIRITUAL SOUL OR BUDDHI, in  close union with Manas, the
mind-principle, without which it is no Ego at  all, but only the Atmic
Vehicle. (passive agent)..."Buddhi becomes  conscious by the accretions it
gets from Manas after every new incarnation  an death of man." (SD I 244)
[see HPB Art. III, 265; Key p. 176  ]

"BUDDHI...The faculty of cognizing the channel through which  divine
knowledge reaches the Ego, the discernment of good and evil,  "divine
consciousness,consciousness,<WBR>" "Spiritual Soul," the vehicle of 
[see also SD I 17 119, 244, 570, 453; Key 175-6] 

"OUR  CONSCIOUSNESS IS ONE AND NOT MANY, nor different from other
consciousness.  It is not waking consciousness, sleeping consciousness, or
any other but  consciousness itself... the consciousness of each person is
the Witness or  Spectator of the actions and experiences of every state we
are in or pass  through. It therefore follows that the waking condition of
the mind is not  separate consciousness. 

The one consciousness pierces up and down  through all the states or planes
of Being, and serves to uphold the  memory...of each state's experiences.o
Gita Notes, p.  98-9


The  "opposed thumb" is a phenomenon of the mental idea of holding  and
manipulating; and to this a "purpose" has to be identified at the root  of
this or any action. The quality of any "purpose" would depend on whether  it

The MIND coupled with our Kamic  (desires and passions) nature makes this
possible. [The "animals" have the  faculty, at their stage of progress /
evolution, of "instinct" but not of  that continued identity we call mind (or
MANAS). [It is the MANAS that  reincarnates. -- see KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB),
some of the advanced  individual animal MONADS, HPB states, had reached the
stage where MANAS  could be lit up. 

The PURPOSE of such (or of any human action adds the  MORAL FACTOR. Mankind
as a whole is in the stage / plane of MIND  DEVELOPMENT -- see PATANJALI'S
YOGA SUTRAS. It is individualized. See  tables of "human principles" in KEY
TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) at pp. 91-2, 135-6,  195-6 and the Intervening
explanations of the entire process and purpose of  evolution -- where the
'"PHYSICAL" is shown to be powered by the karmic  motives and our present
choices / will. These are resident and dominant in  the principles of Kama
and Mind (Kama and Manas).

The "moral factor  is divisible into the "virtues" which are dual: SELFISH
and UNSELFISH, and  these distinguish BROTHERHOOD and care for others, or the
reverse. This in  turn invokes not only the monadic, individual KARMA, but
affects the whole  Universe (composed of innumerable sensitive "life-atoms"
or MONADS.  

We are never "alone." [All our personal thoughts, feelings and acts  are
indelibly recorded by the Lipika on the tablets of the Akasa.] But we  are
surrounded with innumerable living MONADS -- each at their own stage  of
self-development and progress, and all advance (each is affected by  other
MONADS) individually towards the common central and ultimate Goal:  Supreme
PERFECTION in Wisdom and "wise action." (see BHAGAVAD GITA  (Krishna) for a
treatise on this.)

Best  wishes



-----Original  Message-----
From: Scribe
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:28  PM
Subject: Re: Difference between humans and  animals?


Thanks so much, that was just great, just the  kind of information I wanted.
And in addition you also hit the nail on the  head with problems the ID ers
have with any sort of "proof" that would  satisfy their critics.

Again, "right on"--

Best  Regards,

Don Ridgway

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