Re: Theos-World JEWISH NIGHTMARE GONE?
Aug 12, 2006 12:23 PM
I would to tell you now, if not only to explain it to you more
clearly how certain folks tend to come across as academics or "text-
book" graduates of twisted Baconian sciences and in fact, deny any
of the Goethean scientific approach in general. I am not one of
those people. The perpetual "Doubting Thomas" who supposedly
presents himself as someone in the pursuit of truth and fairness
will never know much truth without first knowing who he is. As a
historian, I can see that the Israelites were often a people without
a land. Madame Blavatsky mentioned the Karmic effect on the Jews
over various incarnations due to their animosity toward each other
dating back before the time of Joshua Emmanuel the Christ and up
until this very day.
The false comforter "Jahve" tries to trick us into accepting him.
But to bring us a lasting comfort, is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Anyone that brings us trouble, anxiety, doubt, confusion, negativity
and a host of other ill effects in his wake is a false Christ and we
certainly have many of those people today. So who tells the
Christians that Jesus is a JEW? Who decided this and why is it that
Christians and Jews still await the coming of a man in flesh? Many
still do await the return of the Messiah and disappointed shall they
be when he never returns in the flesh – for as per St. John, the
flesh means nothing. Yet, these groups will all find that it is we
who must return to the Christ Consciousness, sooner or later and it
is we who must find Christ in ourselves. No land or any nation can
achieve what we must travel inwardly to know and for those who are
building the new Israel; what do YOU plan on achieving exactly? Can
you tell me LM?
Now I will address your responses to me:
"Dear Logos_Student (whoever you really are), Well, you made your
points the first time. Does it have to be repeated? That seems to
be another good trick used by the Neo-nazis and anti Semites. As
for the Subject line -- the question is, who instigated it? The
kettle calling the pan black doesn't cut it in my book"
My intention here is to engage in discussion and share my thoughts
with others over what kind of corruption might be going on in the
world today and to hopefully also receive some feedback from those
of you who have also researched. My intention is to combine
spiritual understanding with constructive exoteric research and help
to remove our veils of darkness covering our clouded
personalities. I am now reading a book by Robert Gaylon Ross Sr.
called "The Elite Don't Dare Let Us Tell the People." This book
mentions much deep insight on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, -
including some eye opening new research. Mr. Ross is a meticulous
researcher of history and if anyone were to imply that he was
a "Nazi" than I suppose it would be someone like you who demands
political correctness. The last time I checked, the true seekers of
truth throughout all history cared little for being politically
correct; nor were their deeds merely forged by any pen I read many
such books and I do not like to label any book or person as
being "anti-Semitic" just because it goes against the mainstream
view or politically correct ideas. Furthermore, those who use such
nonsense words as "anti-Semitic" are barely equipped to understand
the very meaning of the word. I have kindly asked of Frank and the
others here for some help in answering some of my burning questions –
I see these people as further along the path than I am and yet, you
are calling these good souls, NAZIS!
Still I do have many questions and there is much I do not know. I
still hope that some of my concerns will be addressed. Likewise you
know very little about me and for you to assume that anyone "whoever
I really am" and for you to imply "I already made my points the
first time" "and don't need to repeat them" with the implied dire
possibility of it being "another good trick used by the Neo-nazis
and anti-Semites" is nothing less than your own egoistic idea that
I've have already finished the discussion. On the contrary – I have
just begun…sorry to disappoint you. I may be new to Blavatsky and
Steiner and such teachings but I am certainly not new to
understanding the basic usage of coercion when in a discussion.
"LM: I did not say "all Muslims," but only, "supporters of Hezbollah"
(unfortunately leaving out the word "terrorists") -- referring to
hate the Jews, wish to exterminate them, and initiated, prior to
this Israeli counter
attack (not "invasion"), sneak attacks on Israel civilians using
self immolating bomb carriers, unprovoked raids, kidnappings,
soldiers in Israeli territory, and rocket attacks on civilian
targets. The word
"murder" is pretty strong to apply to accidental civilian deaths
were near military targets being counter attacked."
Now one good way to sway away from any "real" discussion is by
distraction through entertaining certain non-progressive ideas. You
know the "correctors" who never seem to see the bigger picture?
Some people, from their first through to their last post, offer very
little of progressiveness in sharing and only seem to present
themselves as a "corrector" of error and perhaps think of themselves
as an open-minded seeker of truth as well. Well, I just hope these
individuals understand clearly the difference between a true
progressive and a non-progressive personality engaging in
discussion. We are coming up to a time where knowing the true
intention behind the action will pave the way into exposing those
who wish to enslave and obstruct us, vs. those who truly wish to
evolve. How many of these people were also correcting the errors of
Galileo and the Greats of yesterday by forcing them to fit into
whatever selfish constraints they wished to control? So LM, what
is your true intention behind your seemly loving approach to asking
for a fair and balanced view on those victims? You say you never
said "all Muslims" yet you already implied it by suggesting that
anyone who supports Hezbollah hates Jews. Well, most of the world
may not be terrorists but strangely now support Hezbollah more so
than ever before and you want to know why this is so? Firstly,
Hezbollah are the Lebanese people defending their homes, their
families, and their entire culture from being torn apart by
aggressors who have NEVER LEFT southern Lebanon for decades and
continue to occupy their homeland since then. If you really think
the kidnapped Israeli soldiers were standing on Israeli soil (and
were kidnapped thus starting a war) then I got news for you. They
were not kidnapped in ISRAEL - but were in fact on Lebanese soil and
were enemy combatants! Hezbollah are supported by Christians,
Sunni's and Shiites like never before.
"My news, incidentally, comes directly from trusted observers of all
nationalities and their reports from both sides of the borders. I
was too well trained during WW2 in military intelligence, and later
as a newspaper photo-journalist, not to recognize truth from
propaganda. It appears that you are prepared to continually defend
such spurious techniques of mass media disinformation and distortion
of truth. Of course, that's nothing more than the modern adaptation
of an old Dugpa occult trick of "implying the lie by telling the
truth." (Half truth, that is, in my book.) "
Absolute truth is not open to anything "half" whereas relative
truths (or laws) can be true in one dimension but not in necessarily
true in another. But you have implied that these reports are
using "Dugpa occult tricks". LM, you assume too much and I should
think that since Israel invaded Lebanon (not vice-versa) and since
the amount of civilian casualties in Lebanon are 3000 times higher
in Lebanon (which now stands in ruin) is enough to explain the
rational of why most of the pictures and much of the reporting are
of dead Lebanese and not Israeli's. If you feel so strongly about
not speaking half-truths and being fair and balanced, why don't you
go and take that approach to Fox News and tell them to tell their
bosses to stop sending weapons to Israel – including, tanks, plasma,
nukes and billions of dollars per year? Why don't you ask them why
they cannot name one single Lebanese or Palestinian child
slaughtered, yet they can name every single Israeli soldier! But of
course, you would never do this, as that would be seen as anti-
Semitic and un-patriotic – but may be they would offer you a
position at Fox News? Zionist controlled media love "isms' of all
" I did not say that the links provided were not true, but only that
are pure propaganda without showing the other side of the picture of
casualties due to Muslim terrorist attacks. Your claim that lebanon
nation invaded by a known terrorist state" does not do justice to
Israel by not
referring (in counterbalance) to the previous attacks, raids, and
"invasions" of their homeland and civilians by known terrorist
organizations acting from the cover of adjoining nations and
protected from counter invasion by hiding behind civilians and the
duped children of that nation."
Once again, instead you only seem interested in discrediting truth
by implying that anything that's not making Israel out to be an
equal victim is propaganda. Sorry, but Israel is not an equal
victim and the facts are facts. You also mention "their (Israel)
homeland" and how they have been attacked and you expect us to mourn
for Israel when it was their own fault for murdering Christians,
Muslims, Jews and others from the very first day they called
themselves ISRAEL and set up base until this very day.
I believe Rudolf Steiner mentioned how the Jewish people have always
longed for Europe. He also stressed that Israel as a nation will
never survive in its present form – yes, he saw this in advance.
Israel's leaders are terrorists (and I'm not in any way implying
that all the people in Israel are terrorists) but Israel's people
can hardly identify themselves with any Israelites which were many
peoples. For among those peoples were Galileans, Judeans,
Samaritans and others. They spoke Hebrew, Aramaic and some Greek.
It is incorrect to label all of Israel as a home for Jewish people.
The Essen's/Nazarenes were also Judeans, as the Essen's were Greco-
Israelites and they spoke Greek and Aramaic. The Essen's did not
want to be separated from their Israelites brothers, thus they also
accepted the cruel rule of the Sanhedrin. Since I'm Christian…. how
about I call myself ENTITLED to ISRAEL? How about all Christians
rise up and call upon themselves as the people of Nazarene blood and
from the "Tribe of Joseph" and as being divinely connected
to "BRITON", as the true people of the Covenant, thus ISRAEL belongs
to Christians and not Jews? Would this statement not sound very
absurd to you, yet what do we hear the Israeli's teaching their
children today? I think you best take a closer look into what I am
"You also do not balance your propaganda claim -- that the so
Zionists in London and Washington" (Who, specifically, are they?)
are at fault
by also noting the previous attacks by Hezbollah and Hamas
actually are represented in or are the governments of the nations
Israel from. Nor do you indicate that these initial invaders, and
and present attackers of Israeli civilians, are supported by Iran
and Syria --
who also wish to exterminate the Jews and take over Israel so these
countries don't have to support their brother Arabs, the so called
refugees -- which they still keep in concentration camps."
Oh yes, let me remind you that MI5 created MOSSAD and please DO tell
us what MOSAD stands for? I'm sure it stands for love and peace and
not deception, right?
MOSSAD also funded HAMAS and installed them as the best enemies
money can buy. You also have a habit of intermixing HAMAS with
HIZBOLLA. HIZBOLLA was created as a resistance while HAMAS' history
is slightly different. Why not stay on topic with HIZBOLLA and stop
mentioning HAMAS; or unless you prefer me to bring up the ADL, JDL
and other terrorist organizations in my country which places laws
(against my freedom of speech) calling it "hate laws" which prevent
progress. But since you asked "who", I'll tell you that the
Rothschild's and Queen Elizabeth II are not dumb like Bush. Now
Cheney may be smarter than Bush but he is just another controlled
pawn of the RIIA and thus British rules over both Israel and USA.
However, I think (based on Zbigniew Brzezinski's comments) that this
recent war plan is actually not so much the Elites plan, as it is
the neo-Zionists plan in Washington. In fact, Brzezinski calls
them "Demagogy" and since he speaks on behalf of the Elites, I think
the plan has been at least partially hijacked by neo-Zionist (Pearl
and others) nutcases in the white house!
"I guess they learned all their lessons (including the propaganda
now parroted by certain Neo-Nazis we all know) ) from Hitler and his
Nazi cronies. Heil Der Fuhrer, Adolph -- but give credit to
for our side and damn the other" is the drill; And, "keep that
mind" is the order of the day. From my view, they are still the
Charley made them out to be, and to the world, they could be a
deadly bunch if
they keep on backing and promoting the anti Jewish Arab terrorists
and their own
sick anti Semitic philosophy. (Funny that most Arabs are Semites,
Look closer and ye shall find out that the great deal of Nazi's were
Zionists in disguise – the Jews being the first victims. Cannot
recall but I think it was Himmler who was teased as being a "Jew"
when he was young? And who funded Hitler before and after the war?
Paul Warburg was one of them and he was a Zionist also. I'll tell
you it was not some dumb skin-heads or Islamists who funded
Hitler! But oh well, there are certain laws preventing deeper
research into the matter – free-dumb of speech laws naturally!
" However, Muslims cannot be blamed as a group, nor can the Jews.
But, It's a
shame how the Islamic terrorists distort the Koran to justify their
blatant, and murderous anti-Semitism... While, It's an obvious fact
is no such generalized and deadly anti-Islamism among the Jews as a
political group. Nor is there anything in their Bible that condones
Oh I see, you agree that Islamic extremists are a problem on one
hand while on another you compare them with Bible Jews. Am I to
assume that you meant "Bible" as in "Torah" and if so, why leave out
the TALMUDISTS who twist the Talmud and Bible just like the
Pharisees and Scribes did in the past? I mean these Islamic
terrorists today actually seem to resemble very little of the older
Ottoman Empire and they seem to be hated by the vast majority of the
Muslim people anyhow. Besides the Muslims and Jews who accept Jesus
as a Prophet or a teacher – or those who question his existence,
there are also others who still go further and refer to Jesus as
a "Son of a whore". I wonder, which Holy book would teach this
about a man so gentle and loving? Could it be those evil Islamic
terrorists teaching these things about Jesus? So who made the
biggest fuss over Mel Gibson's film, the terrorist Muslims?
And what you call terrorists are in reality the freedom fighters of
Lebanon – at least according to a vast majority of the world
population – other than ISRAEL and USA. Are the insane Talmudists
of today much different then they were in the 1500's? How about in
the year 33 AD when they tricked the Romans into murdering Joshua
Emmanuel the Christ? Was Martin Luther also an Anti-Semite since
Hitler agreed with much of what Luther wrote? I'm just throwing out
some basic ideas, so please don't misunderstand my intention for
"(Incidentally, these Biblical restraints, notably in the ten
are what underlies the benevolent teachings of the Christ.)"
In early times it was an eye for an eye. This means a deal or a
bargain for man to rule over man. Moses never brought the law; the
Israelites merely misunderstood what Moses tried to teach them. Some
understood the true teachings and they were the Israelite Essen's.
Moses was an Egyptian Prince and Amun-Ra worship was still on-going
at the time of Moses. Moses opposed the teachings of Amun-Ra. Yet,
just as Jesus asked for Mercy and not sacrifice, how many people
today will sacrifice another soul for their God Mammon or Jahve?
The Essen's were not the same as the other Israelites and only they
have been linked at times by culture and locality etc. The
Israelites were many people and among them were Galileans, Judeans,
Samaritans and others. They spoke Hebrew, Aramaic and some Greek.
It is incorrect to label all the Essen's as only Judeans, as the
Essen's were Greco-Israelites and they spoke Greek and Aramaic. But
even still, the Essen's did not want to be separated from their
Israelite brothers, thus they also accepted the cruel rule of the
Sanhedrin The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the life of the man named
Yeshiva or Jesus was, apocalyptic and sectarian. I brought up the
Sanhedrin only to prove a point that the Essen's loved their fellow
Israelites, even though the Israelites considered the Essen's
heretics because they were nomadic, reserved and apocalyptic people.
Your quoting the Old Testament means little unless you understand
that Yeshiva was not living the life of what you are referring to as
a "Jew" The Essen's were like Monks in that they completely
separated themselves from the rest of the community – in terms of
faith particularly – they were far different.
"He shall be called a Nazorean!" (Matthew 2:23)."
There is a difference between a Nazarene and a typical Jew and how
many of those Israeli soldiers (do you suppose) uphold even the very
basic Mosaic laws? How many Talmudists uphold these laws today and
place them higher than their oral laws? The Israelites were under
the cruel rule of the Sanhedrin but the Essen's believed
in "Jehovah" or the "El-Shaddai" and never accepted a cruel and
vengeful God like "Jahve". Moses never brought a cruel God to the
Israelite Hebrew people. He brought a loving God….. and they
misunderstood! They wrote laws for man – instead of allowing God to
inscribe them directly into their hearts.
The Essen's (who are the direct descendants of the Israelites
Egyptians) remained in Egypt after Amenhotep IV brought Aton. They
accepted the one spirit God of the Universe and called him "Aton-ai"
and they awaited the birth of Joshua the Christ (Jesus) in
Palestine. They denounced the false Gods of the many Egyptians and
Romans. Amenhotep IV also denounced the false Gods of the Egyptians
and he was murdered by the followers of Amun-Ra. Now, today we
still have the offshoots of the Essen's and the overgrowths of the
Israelites. The Israelite off growths eventually integrated back
into Europe – and thus the Jews long for Europe!!! But even today,
the Sanhedrin still follows the Talmudic laws (of separation) and
it's no surprise they are now many of the elite ruling class.
"So, who are we to lay the blame on for any of the problems we find
in today? Aren't we not all, as members (not the leaders) of any
national, racial, or social group -- or of none of any one, but of
true "theosophists" -- simply the victims of circumstances. and our
and group karma, that are, and have always been (except for the
knowledgeable theosophists), out of our individual control?"
Who are we to blame? I love this question and my response is that
those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Let
us take a look at what this means in application, for just as in
"And there shall be neither Ieudean, nor Gentile"
The Israelites of yesterday were very hostile to one another and
were eagerly awaiting the return of God to the earth! They awaited
a powerful king! Do you think they may still be waiting today, not
seeing the prince of peace come as they are still awaiting a
powerful king, as opposed to a God of Mercy? They accepted only one
God, yet applied their cruel human vices to their God and those who
lived under that God were to be ruled by a cruel and vengeful God.
The "Jew" was often persecuted by their fellow "Jew". The Romans
actually considered the Jewish Mosaic laws to be barbarous and
evil! LM, did you know that many Israelites became Roman citizens
to escape the cruelness of the Sanhedrin's foolish application of
the Mosaic laws?
Well I can tell you that the word "IS-RA-EL" derives directly from
Egyptian culture which is of course no surprise being that the early
Israelites were also Hebrews. Now we do have many words today so
the word ISRAEL in no way suggests they are of all Egyptian belief.
However, this state of Israel was carved politically into the land
of Palestine causing much upset and unrest not too long ago – as you
very well know. But is this only political and what purpose was
Israel facilitating to a modern day Jew and why do Jews need a land
of Israel to live in? Could Israel represent the New Babylonian
Empire as expected by many?
In the Bible, Mathew 28:18-20 mentions that Israel was a spiritual
message of God to come, so-to-speak.
Could this creation of an Israel state further support the presence
of an ancient Babylonian and Leviticus Priesthood Belief? Are they
trying to resurrect the Empire of the Cruel God "Jahve" who might
rule on a thrown of gold and power? LM, how have they done thus
far and do you think it's only political? It seems to me that
ISRAEL cannot even survive without (originally) Britain and then the
USA and tons of military support. She also has much of the churches
support, yet you speak harshly that Iran and other Islamic nations
support Lebanon. Well at least Lebanon (before the war) could stand
on her own two feet without all the aid of superpowers.
We saw the first instance of fractional reserve banking originating
from the Babylon Talmudic practices. I believe Christ himself
addressed this notion as being used as "a den of thieves and
robbers" while in God's house and not much has changed today I'm
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