Re: Crosby, Tingley a Theosophist, etc.
Jul 27, 2006 02:09 PM
by Mark Jaqua
Re: Crosby, K. Tingley, a Theosophist, etc.
This is getting obsessive. Did the
various leaders of the Theosophical Movement
have to go through "pledge fever" also, or
were they sprung full-formed from a Deva's
mouth. In the Mahatma Letters and elsewhere
it is stated that humans are "dual natured,"
we all have higher and lower propensities.
The goal of Theosophy's picture of personal
evolution is to overcome this and become
"One", the lower overcome or controlled by
the higher. You or I will never meet such
a person in all likelihood.
Blavatsky had to undergo this also.
In the MLs somewhere it is said that she
had to undergo some crucial trial or karma
"That She Was NOT Expected To Succeed At."
But - Surprise! - she did succeed.
The same goes for Crosby or Tingley.
Maybe they had trials, maybe they made some
Big mistakes, Maybe they kept trying and did
the best they could. To make these
dual-natured fellow humans into some sort of
demi-gods is just nuts! I was told in
correspondence by G.C. Legros that Crosby
knocked up his maid, divorced his wife, and
ended up marrying his maid. So what - it
isn't of crucial importance. He eventually
formed one of the most important organizations.
When Crosby got kicked out of Point Loma
Community, I read somewhere also that he was
in fear for himself. I wouldn't doubt this
too much either. The mass of the memberships
where probably on a similar basis as many large
groups, just a cultish following of the leader,
and not themselves having a full understanding of
the principles involved, and sort of acting
like a typical mob to someone who supposedly
did something nasty to their hero-worshiped
leader, and act a bit like a mob. The only
salvation in such a case is to have a good
leader - which Tingley and Gdep were to
control such emotions in the group. I think
Mundy maybe also left for similar reasons,
being perhaps cold-shoulder by the membership.
Tingley was an over-bearing type of woman,
it seems to me, and I doubt I could have stood
to be in her group - but she was also a
genuine Theosophist. She may have made some
serious mistakes in HER trials, and changed
her actions later when she learned more about
Theosophy (she wasn't much of a technical
student.) Smythe, editor of the Canadian
Theosophist for about 30 years, also left
Tingley's group, and said she played politics,
and played one person against another. Maybe
she did in early years and changed.
Talbot Mundy, who I consider to be one of
the best natural-born recent theosophists,
also was married 5 times, and a social drinker -
yet he still got some important theosophical
perspectives out to perhaps millions of
novel-readers. An important task.
Some of the differences in groups,
I think, is at base a difference in personality
types, and not specifically based in reality on
difference in teachings, or teachers. K.H.
and Morya had different methods with there
students, and one teacher wouldn't mess with
the methods of the other, even though they
didn't agree with them. I know there are
genuinely-motivated theosophists with the
same basic Blavatsky teachings behind them,
whom - likely - I couldn't stand to be around
- and vice versa, which is probably the same
I don't see how small changes such as
de Zirkoff does in changing sanskrit spelling,
can compare with big changes - as in Dan's
recent book, of leaving out whole sentences
or the like. Dan is lumping them in the same
category, (which he knows they are not)
JUST TO WIN THE ARGUMENT. This seems to be
a thing with DC, he wants to win the argument,
using logic, even though the spirit of the
truth of the matter is lost along the way.
- jake j.
<I am sure Katherine Tingley was not a
<Nazi. Far from that.
<She was a Theosophist, and therefore her
<priority was Universal Brotherhood, which
<excludes no people and no nation.........
<Best regards, Carlos.
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