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Re: Theos-World Quibbling over the meaning of words??

Jul 25, 2006 04:17 PM
by Cass Silva

Hi Bill
Didn't the masters say somewhere that they co-wrote Isis and the SD with HPB. Surely this implies some sort of contact?

Bill Meredith <> wrote:                                  Daniel, unless you assert with absolute certain knowledge the fact that 
 "HPB was in contact with the Masters," Carlos will judge your statement 
 as a LIE.
 Do you see the difference, Daniel?  
 The Road Not Taken
 Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
 And sorry I could not travel both
 And be one traveler, long I stood
 And looked down one as far a I could
 To where it bent in the undergrowth;
 Then took the other, as just as fair,
 And having perhaps the better claim,
 Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
 Though as for that the passing there
 Had worn them really about the same,
 And both that morning equally lay
 In leaves no step had trodden black.
 Oh, I kept the first for another day!
 Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
 I doubted if I should ever come back.
 I shall be telling this with a sigh
 Somewhere ages and ages hence:
 Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
 I took the one less traveled by,
 And that has made all the difference.
 --Robert Frost,  1916
 danielhcaldwell wrote:
 > Carlos wrote:
 > ======================================================
 > HPB did not claim, she did not assert. She made phenomena
 > and dozens of persons who saw them gave their public
 > testimonies. Apart from phenomena, dozens of theosophists had
 > their own evidences that they were chelas and lay chelas of
 > various Mahatmas.
 > So say of that period (1875-1891) that "HPB claimed SHE was in
 > contact with the Masters" is a LIE from anyone who studies the
 > History of the Movement.
 > It is not a question of "believing". It is a question of
 > recognizing the fact the there are hundreds of evidences about
 > Masters in those years.
 > ========================================================
 > Let's just take one of Carlos' "assertions":
 > It is not a question of "believing".
 > Let's look at the word "believing" or "belief"
 > In the dictionary here are the definitions of "belief":
 > ===========================================================
 > 1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or
 > confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
 > 2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or
 > validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies
 > belief.
 > 3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular
 > tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
 > ==============================================================
 > American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
 > Take definition two:
 > "Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or
 > validity of something."
 > When I write that "I believe" ....
 > I am in effect giving this definition....
 > Or take the statement Carlos wants to argue about:
 > "HPB claimed SHE was in contact with the Masters"
 > One could also write:
 > HPB stated she was in contact with the Masters.
 > or
 > HPB asserted she was in contact with the Masters.
 > However one wants to phrase it, I believe there is more
 > than ample evidence that her claim, her statement, her assertion
 > was true.
 > But I'm sure Carlos will probably want to quibble more.
 > Daniel

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