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Re: Theos-World Sufilight, Hitler and the U.N.

May 10, 2006 02:05 PM
by M. Sufilight

Hallo Carlos and all,

My views are:

Allright I will write a more detailed e-mail.

1. The Newsletter by the Arcane Group.

Carlos wrote:
"I got your suggestion and took a look at World Goodwill/Arcane School text, but failed to see your point. "

This is the newsletter:

a) First example.
Let me quote the following from the text of the newsletter:
"We did not rush blindly into war; instead it was considered deliberately and passionately by all the many members of the world community demonstrating a noble attempt to solve this problem in a more enlightened way. And although we seemingly failed, nonetheless a process was initiated."

By using the word "We" and "we", I think the writer and the Arcane group
is way out of line. I wonder why these two sentences was implemented in the newsletter?

b) Second example:
Also this one from the same newsletter:
"That is not to say that force is never justified for, as we well know, the transition period through which we are manoeuvring is fraught with tremendous difficulties of which we are all too vividly aware. The terrorist threat does not yield to facile or immediate solutions. And as much as we might long for the cessation of warfare, due to the dangerous world in which we live there are times when it is justified. "

We will have to remember the year and day, this newsletter was published.
It was published year 2003 when the war on Iraq was started.
When I read the above quote and consider when it was published, I only find it to be a jesuistic justification supporting the invasion of Bhagdad.
Why else implement these sentences in the newsletter?

About your refrence to a later newsletter by the Alice A. Bailey's.
Yes. They perhaps read my emails here at theos-talk which I posted earlier on in 2003 about these very same issues. And then they realised their mistakes.

The indefatigable fools at Lucis Trust do not understand, that the world needs - firstly to stop this silly idea about nationality, when we talk about creating peace on this planet. Secondy, No nation is an island. And thirdly, - Dictatorship or non-democratic Priesthood is not an option anymore, beacuse people very easily can create a nuclear bomb. The world has to mobilise these views. And we can only do our best in this time of hour.
And I do not understand why your below reference should be anything but an attempt to simply water down the bad mistakes in the above earlier newsletter.
Carlos newsletter reference:

I agree, that most Alice A. Bailey followers do mean well, and that is very good.
If they just were more motivated to pull that stupid Christian branch out of their own eyes, so that they could
see the Middle Eastern part of the planet with the eyes of the Sufis. Oh what a waste of Newsmedia-heads!

2. The Alice A. Bailey texts are a problem today 2006

We will have to understand the problems the Alice A. Bailey texts creates today in our present informations society of global cultural awareness. It is quite important to understand, that only a very few Seekers from the Middle East appreciates the books written by Alice A. Bailey, with their heavy use of Christian-like vocabulary. To promote such books on the Internet are not very helpful in these days with western and Middle Eastern tensions.

Try this
Alice A. Bailey's: Esoteric Psychology
"Every great religion which arises is under the influence of one or other of the rays, but it does not necessarily follow that each successive ray should have a great far-reaching religion as its outcome. We have heard that Brahmanism is the last great religion which arose under first ray influence; we do not know what may have been the religion which was the outcome of the last second ray period; but the Chaldean, the Egyptian and the Zoroastrian religions may be taken as representing the third, the fourth, and the fifth rays respectively. Christianity and probably Buddhism were the result of sixth ray influence. Mohammedanism, which numbers so large a following, is also under sixth ray influence, but it is not a great root religion, being a hybrid offshoot of Christianity with the tinge of Judaism."
(Esoteric Psychology vol. 1 - 1936 , page 167)

And Alice A. Baileys use of the word "NOT" in the above has been given
(uppercase) emphasis by me !
I somehow fail to understand that such a message could be compassionate today year 2006.

As long as the Middle East with its rich symbolical and esoterical teachings
are being trampled upon in the name of western prejudice about this culture -
by some pet-Bible books of a nature which is swarmed by Christian
vocabulary, (books written by Alice A. Bailey and a supposed 5th initiate),
how can anyone justify such teachings as being valid theosophy and giving
the Seekers after Wisdom and Truth a proper WORLD VIEW ?
The age old Secret Doctrine by Blavatsky is struggleing because it was written
with a European audience in mind. - This was somthing one of the
Mahatmas stated in a letter to A. P. Sinnett.
And because it was not written with a more global audience in mind, it is beginning
to struggle with time. It is not anymore that adequate a script to use if one has a global
adience in mind, and not only an european.

3. Important knowledge about the Alice A. Bailey books today year 2006.

I - The Bailey books are not a balanced multicultural presentation on
II - The Bailey books have a heavy use of Christian vocabulary.
The bad consequences of this will show itself in the present information
III - The Middle East is hardly mentioned in the books, but the Christian
religion gets a whole lot of coverage.
IV - The books were NOT intended for a Middle Eastern audience. Today
communication is rapid - due to the Internet. The audience is different
today. And the physical world has changed.
V - Bailey groups are connected with work at The United Nations,
Headquarters. Because of that they are politically involved, and that on an
international level.
VI - True theosophical or esoteric teachings are always taking time, place, people,
circumstances, teacher and audience into account. The Alice A. Bailey books are
dangerous and irrelevant to a global audience on the Internet.
VII -This is today some of the problems the books of Bailey creates in TODAYS
international information society, where there are clearly visible
political tensions between the Western politicians and The Middle Eastern ones."

4. About Bailey and World War II.
Ok. Your point is taken to heart. But nevertheless...

I would be hesitate about stating that Alice A. Bailey was clearly anti Hitler in her books. Some of the earliere books by Bailey, have their content heavily marked by Hitler's influence upon the world. In her later books she was anti-Hitler, Yes I agree. And when viewing all her books - all in all - I would say, that she was clearly not 100% anti-Hitler.
Try to read Alice A. Bailey's: Esoteric Psychology vol. I. In it you will find references to the jews forwarded in a manner, which are not taking the jew racism theories of Hitler into account, they rather support them between the lines. This book was published in 1936 ! Only 3 years
before that, Hitler was named Reich Chancellor of Germany. His racism-like politics was already leaning on Christianity, which he and his friends later
rejected. And remember - that the atmosphere of racism was growing in EU and even in USA near the years 1933-36. This should at least tell you something. When Hitler later on got too ugly to the Alice A. Bailey taste and mindset, she wrote differently and clearly stated her views about this facist. However, a beginner Seeker or a scholar might get confused while reading the below quotes.

The chronology of the creation of the books at least gives one good reason to adopt this impression. And because of this - the book or books which were available in 1936 had great possibilities of being misunderstood. We are at least talking about the years 1936-1942 as being problematic. Even the book White Magic (1934) contains faults, something Alice A. Bailey later admitted in her book Esoteric Healing.

A quote about the Shamballa force:
"In the second group of changing ideologies and of reaction to mass need, you will find France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal, all of whom have altered their ancient policies, changed their forms of government and reacted gradually and slowly to the Shamballa force. They have, however, reacted to that force through the medium of certain great and outstanding personalities who were peculiarly sensitive to the will-to-power and the will-to-change and who (during the past 150 years) have altered the character of their national life, and emphasized increasingly the wider human values. The men who inspired the initiating French revolution; the great conqueror, Napoleon; Bismarck, the creator of a nation; Mussolini, the regenerator of his people; Hitler who lifted a distressed people upon his shoulders; Lenin, the idealist, Stalin and Franco are all expressions of the Shamballa force and of certain little understood energies. These have wrought significant changes in their day and generation and altered the face of Europe, incidentally affecting Asia and conditioning attitudes and policies in America."
(The Externalization of the Hierarchy - 1947/1957, page 133)

The Jews in 1936:
"In connection with the nations and the rays I want now to indicate to you certain fundamental conditions which partially account for the (so-called) Jewish problem, - a problem which has existed for centuries, and which is, at this time, causing the deepest possible concern to many, including members of the planetary Hierarchy. If this problem can be solved, it will be one of the potent factors in the restoration of world understanding and harmony."
... and ...reading further...
1.. The Semitic race or races of Biblical and modern times; the Arabs, the Afghans, the Moors and the offshoots and affiliations of those peoples, including the modern Egyptians. These are all descended from the eldest of the three disciples.
2.. The Latin peoples and their various branches throughout the world, and also the Celtic races wherever found. These are descended from the second of the three disciples.
3.. The Teutons, the Scandinavians, and the Anglo-Saxons, who are the descendants of the third of the three disciples."
(Esoteric Psychology vol. 1 - 1936 , page 394-5)

The Jews in 1947:
"Let us look for a moment at the situation of the Jews, prior to the bitter and unpardonable attack made upon them by Hitler and prior to the war 1939-1945. They were to be found in every land and claimed citizenship in every country; within the nation of their birth, they preserved intact their own racial identity, their own peculiar way of life, their own national religion (which is everybody's privilege) and a close adherence to those of their own race. Other groups have done this but to a much lesser degree and have been eventually absorbed and assimilated by the land of their citizenship. The Jews have always constituted a nation within a nation, though this has been less marked in Great Britain, Holland, France and Italy than elsewhere, and therefore, in none of these countries has there been any strong anti-Semitic feeling."
(Problems of Humanity - 1947, page 96)

The stimulation of dictators:
"The force pouring through Darjeeling at this time is that of the first Ray of Will or Power. The soul ray of India is the first ray and hence the immediate effect of the inpouring Shamballa force is to stimulate the will-to-power of all dictators, whether they are the would-be world dictators such as Hitler and his group of evil men, ecclesiastical dictators in any religion, business dictators in any business group in any part of the world, or those minor dictators, the tyrants in the home."
(The Destiny of the Nations - 1949, page 98)

I hold it to be true, that the quotes from the Alice A. Bailey books in the above tell their own tale about, what theosophical beginner Seekers and Scholars of various religious backgrounds are being offered on the Internet today year 2006.

5. So very important: The use of ideas, FOR INSTANCE BOOKS and WRITTEN
MATERIAL of ALL sorts is to shape a man and woman, and their thought-patterns,
not to support a system - which is viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in
which the Wisdom Tradition is 'living', and not just the perpetuations of ideas and movements
This seems important to understand and know about.

M. Sufilight with peace and love...and feeling like the ugly duckling...

----- Original Message ----- From: "carlosaveline" <>
To: "theos-talk" <>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Theos-World Sufilight, Hitler and the U.N.

Sufilight, Friends,

Thanks for your commentaries.

We all must be careful in the search for truth.

I got your suggestion and took a look at World Goodwill/Arcane School text, but failed to see your point.

My own point is that Alice Bailey was and her followers are pro-democracy and anti-Hitler. I understand this is a fact.

As to an assessment of Alice Bailey's work from an occult and esoteric view, well, that is another issue. I have read the various critical studies extant -- Victor Endersby, Alice Cleather and so on. But this was not my point. If we were to examine some of the occult views present in A. Bailey's books, it should be made with care, calm, and in a documented way.

My point was limited to Hitler and the II World War, and to democracies x Nazi-Fascism with regard to theosophists, OK?

As to the positive side of World Goodwill/Arcane School, I guess they got the long term importance of the United Nations. They are helping the birth of a planetary citizenship. Which is an essential task. Planetary citizenship is an aspect of universal brotherhood.

The theosophical movement should be able to provide other steps in the awakening we are living.

Do we feel co-responsible for humanity's next steps?

The co-responsibility exists. Are we conscious of it?

Best regards, Carlos.


Data:Mon, 8 May 2006 18:58:26 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World A. HITLER AND THE MOVEMENT

Hallo Carlos and all,

My views are:

I am a sort of careful creature.

Carlos wrote:
"Considering the facts mentioned above, it is not difficult to arrive to at
least one conclusion. Whatever criticisms one may have with regard to this
or that theosophical organization, it is a simple matter of common sense to
admit that all of the movement is naturally and intrinsically in favour of
liberty and democracy, and against any disrespect for human life. The
movement has an inherent tendency towards universal brotherhood."

To me this is a questionable conclusion when we talk about the Alice A.
Bailey's of today, or shall we say yesterday.
Try for instance to read the following link from their website. It was
written when the bombs started flying around in Bhagdad: (May 2003)

I do not find the Arcane group that peaceful in the direction mentioned in
the above conclusion Carlos emailed. No certainly not!
The content of that newletter smells just way too much of Jesuitism.
Others, especially those not interested in the problems of Jesuitsm, will of
course disagree.

M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- From: "carlosaveline"
To: "theos-talk"
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:49 PM



Carlos Cardoso Aveline


Dear Friends,

A new book -- "Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement With the
Occult", by Peter Levenda -- accuses the theosophical movement of having
had simpathies for the Nazism, or of having "inspired" Adolf Hitler. A
note reffering to that was published by "Insight", the Adyar TS magazine
in England, in its issue dated Spring 2006, p. 30.

In the same edition, there is an adequate answer from Nicholas
Goodrick-Clarke, Chair of Western Esotericism at the University of Exeter.
Mr. Godrick-Clarke shows that the theosophical ideals and its philosophy are
profoundly brotherly and respectful of life and liberty. He admits, though,
that Theosophy can be abused and distorted by Nazis and Fascists.

As there has been other sources of confusion around this issue, tt seems
proper to bring some extra evidence on the actual relationship between the
Theosophical Movement and Nazism, especially during the Second World
War.(1) Facts often speak by themselves.

* In May 1940, the Netherlands Section of the Theosophical Sociedty (Adyar)
was closed after the German invasion. Theosophical activities went on
privately and clandestinely though forbidden by the Nazi invaders. (2)

* In Belgium, on the 10th of May there ocurred the bombardment of Brussels
and after that the Nazi pillage of all Lodge and private libraries. The
General Secretary, Mlle. Serge Brisy, with the concierge, made a huge fire,
while the air raids went on, and burnt all papers that might compromise the
members. She was then a refugee in Bordeaux for some months. During her
absence the Gestapo searched her house and took away her books and lectures,
as too the books in the Section headquarters and in the houses of several
prominente members in Brussels and of Lodge Presidents in the Provinces. In
December she returned to find the Sec tion closed. The Gestapo in vain
threatened punishment if the list of members was not produced. (3)

* In France, a few days after the German army entered Paris, some officers
came and closed the headquarters. Later they carried away records, library
books, and ot her objects belonging to the T.S. Some months later the Vichy
[ Nazi-controlled] government dissolved the Society and twice all Civil
Servants had to declare they were not members of it. The Gestapo took the
headquarters building in Paris and made it their centre for their Secret
Service. Some theosophical meetings went on clandestinely. (4) The
movement went back to life as soon as the Allies liberated France.

* The Greek Section of the T.S. (Adyar) made a pronouncement to all
theosophists worldwide denouncing invasion of Greece by Benito Mussolini's,
Fascist Italy. (5)

* The Italian Section of the Theosophical Society was dissolved in 1939 by
the Fascist Government. Some informal activity was kept and aactivities came
back to public life in 1946. (6)

* After Polland's invasion, members of the T.S. in Hungary helped masses of
Polish refugees arriving in that country, some of whom were Theosophists.

* In Germany, the theosophical movement was dissolved and forbidden from
1939 through 1945. Only a few private meeting took place. (8)

* In Norway, all theosophical activities were forbidden since the invasion
of the country by the Nazis in April 1940, and up to its final Liberation
in 1945. (9)

* In England the theosophical work was much hampered, though lectures and
classes continued despite heavy air-raids and some bombs falling so near to
headquarters that windows were shattered and ceilings fell. (10)

* In the New Year of 1942, George Arundale, the international president of
the TS (Adyar), an Englishman, once more urged India to participate
whole-heartedly in the war with England. (11)

* As to C. Jinarajadasa, who then played a leading worldwide role with
regard to inner, spiritual activities of the Society, L. H. Leslie-Smith
wrote: "Brother Raja spent the greater part of the period of the second war
in London, which had become the headquarters for many European governments
whose lands had been overrun and also for the Theosophical Society in
Europe. He lived at 33 Ovington Square to make it a spiritual centre and
focus of theosophical inspiration during the dark years. From there, by
means of a vast correspondence, he gave comfort anda encouragement to
members in all countries where there was still a postal service. He often
worked through the night till four o'clock, and a pile of letters would be
left on the floor for his secretary later to stamp and dispatch to various
parts of the world." And L. H. Leslie-Smith adds: "He played a a
courageous citizen's part as a volunteer in the Air-Raid Precautions service
[Special Fire Guard]. His attitude to danger was exemplified one afternoon
when the present writer was sitting with him in his first-floor room at 33
[Ovington Square]. The sirens sounded to give warning of enemy bombers
approaching. He registered the warning, and we went on talking. A few
minutes later there was the crescendo whine of a bomb coming down - still no
reaction; then the crash of the explosion not far distant. The conversation
continued without the flicker of an eyelid to its natural conclusion." (12)

* There should be no suspicions of any non-democratic inclinations against
the Pasadena Theosophical Society and the United Lodge of Theosophists
(U.L.T.) , which were both founded in the United States and most active in
this country. During the conflict, "Theosophy" magazine, published by ULT
associates, critized here and there, mostly in small notes, aspects and
events of the war - and showed how unfortunate are wars in general. This
was made from the philosophical perspective of the sacred wisdom and
ancient tradition. (13)

* Originated in the Theosophical Movement and founded by Alice Bailey, the
Arcane School and its 'New Group of World Servers' totally engaged in
supporting the Allies during the Second World War. Bailey even criticized
the pacifism of Mahatma Gandhi - who as an activist was very much inclined
against the British and found it perhaps politically profitable not to
support them against the Germans, but was criticized for it. In August
1942, Alice Bailey wrote about "the pacifist attitudes - idealistic and
impractical and finding their focus today in the attitude of Gandhi. He
brings into clear perspective the uncompromising, fanatical attitude which
is non-realistic and which will willingly sacrifice lives, nations and the
future of humanity in order to attain its object." Throughout her writings
in the years of War, Bailey described the Allied and democratic nations as
inspired by the Masters, and Hitler's Axis as inspired by hatred and evil
motives. (14)

* Jiddu Krishnamurti, who lefet the Adyar Theosophical Society in 1929, had
a radical pacifist position. On describing the 1942 events, his biographer
Mary Lutyens admits: "For those in England who had been proud to stand
alone against Nazi aggression, who had felt exalted by the Battle of
Britain, who had thrilled to Churchill's words and somehow managed to
contain their terror during the blitz, believing passionately that they
were fighting the embodiment of evil, Krishnamurti's pacific outpourings
from such paradises as Ojai [in California], Martha's Vineyard and the
Sequoia National Park were hard to take. Lady Emily evidently told him as
much with some asperity and accused him of escaping from horror..." - to
which he answered by condemning violence as a means to do good. Whatever
one's opinion about Mr. Krishnamurti's pacifist attitude, he clearly cannot
be accused of having sympathies for Nazism or Fascism. (15)

* After Adolf Hitler's defeat, the United Nations Organization emerged in
1945 as a global network of countries, exactly 70 years after the
Theosophical Movement was founded in 1875. The period of seven decades is
numerologically significant. Probably it is also not a coincidence that the
U.N. is established in the very same city where the theosophical movement -
its occult archetype - was founded: New York.

* The first object of the theosophical movement, which refers to the ideal
of Universal Brotherhood, was clearly adopted by the United Nations. The
first Article of the U.N. Charter, which states the four Purposes and
Principles of the U.N., is profoundly theosophical. The goals are: "1) To
maintain peace and security (...); 2) To develop friendly relations among
nations (...); 3) To achieve international cooperation in solving
international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian
caracter, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for
fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language,
or religion; and 4) To be a center for harmonizing the actions of nations in
the attainment of these common ends." (16)

* Since 1945, the victory of the Allies has been officially celebrated
every 8th of May. It is the same day when theosophists celebrate H. P.
Blavatsky's life. Another interesting numerological "co-incidence" is
that Mr. Harry Truman - the President of the U.S.A. during the end of the
War - was born precisely in a 8th of May.

Considering the facts mentioned above, it is not difficult to arrive to at
least one conclusion. Whatever criticisms one may have with regard to this
or that theosophical organization, it is a simple matter of common sense to
admit that all of the movement is naturally and intrinsically in favour of
liberty and democracy, and against any disrespect for human life. The
movement has an inherent tendency towards universal brotherhood.

Best regards, Carlos.



(1) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society, A Short
History of the Society (1926-1950)", by Josephine Ransom, TPH, Adyar,
1950, 252 pp.

(2) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", see
pp. 106-107.

(3) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(4) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", pp.

(5) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(6) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(7) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(8) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(9) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(10) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(11) "The Seventy-Fifth Anniversary Book of the Theosophical Society", p.

(12) "The Theosophist", a monthly magazine, Adyar, India, vol. 97, No. 03,
December 1975, p. 123.
(13) See for instance "Theosophy" editions for December 1940, p. 96 ; June
1942, pp. 382-383 ; August 1942, pp. 471-473 ; September 1943, pp.
481-484; January 1946, pp. 111-115 (on atomic bombs) ; February 1946, pp.
150-153 (also on atomic bombs).

(14) "The Externalization of the Hierarchy", by Alice A. Bailey, Lucis
Publishing Co., New York, Lucis Press Ltd., London, copyright 1957, fourth
printing 1972, 744 pp., see p. 368.

(15) "Krishnamurti, The Years of Fulfilment", by Mary Lutyens, New York,
Farrar Straus Giroux, copyright 1983, 248 pp., see p. 56. For more
information on Krishnamurti and the Second War, look at pp. 49, 50, 51, 53,
54, 56, 57, 61.

(16) "Encyclopaedia Britannica", William Benton, Editor, 1967, volume 22,
p. 570.


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