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"Turn your back..."

May 06, 2006 06:09 AM
by carlosaveline

Dear Friends, 

HPB never invited  people to stick to the lies against her, or to help circulate those lies.  

On the other hand, she closed a letter to A.P.  Sinnett, from Würzburg, with these words: 

"Watch your impressions and turn your back on the S.P.R. and its rabid idiots." (1) 

A sentence containing another kind commentary on certain people's level of brain activity. 

Best regards,  Carlos. 


(1) "The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky to A. P. Sinnett", T.U.P., see p. 244.

Para:"theos talk",


Data:Fri, 5 May 2006 19:33:16 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Theos-World Comparing & Contrasting: Letters of H.P.B. to V.S. Solovyoff

> Comparing & Contrasting:
> Letters of H.P.B. to V.S. Solovyoff
> In the book A MODERN PRIESTESS OF ISIS , the 
> author V.S. Solovyoff gives transcriptions of many of
> the letters he said H. P. Blavatsky wrote to him.
> Now since Solovyoff turned against H.P.B. and
> characterized her in this book as a fraud, one might
> wonder if he has forged or tampered with any of
> H.P.B.'s supposed letters.
> Take for example, the H.P.B. letter dated May 23, 1885
> and transcribed on pp. 122-127 in A MODERN PRIESTESS.
> Is this letter a complete forgery palmed off as
> genuine H.P.B. or is it at least a letter that has
> been tampered with. And should the historian or the
> student of H.P.B.'s life place any stock in the letter
> or simply reject the letter as spurious HPB?
> Some time ago a student of H.P.B. in correspondence
> with me said that this letter was obviously forged
> since H.P.B. could never have written the words:
> "[Franz Hartmann]...has turned our devoted [William
> Q.] Judge, when [Judge was] despatched [in 1884] by
> Olcott from Paris to Adyar, into our enemy." Quoted
> from V.S. Solovyoff's A MODERN PRIESTESS OF ISIS, p.
> 125.
> The correspondent spent more than 1 page of text
> explaining all about Judge and trying to show that HPB
> would could never have written those words. And since
> those words are obviously a forgery than the whole
> letter must be a forgery and therefore rejected. Such
> was his reasoning.
> But is there some way to verify or falsify whether
> these disputed words of HPB are her words or not?
> According to my correspondent it was obvious that HPB
> could never have written what is in this letter,
> therefore these words are not hers
> But the fact is that there is at least one genuine
> letter of HPB's that, in fact, confirms the accuracy
> of what she allegedly said in the letter to Solovyoff.
> I have quoted portions of the confirming letter at:
> And if you carefully read, study and compare her
> letter to Judge which is dated May 1, 1885 with the
> letter in question, that is, her letter to Solovyoff
> dated May 23, 1885, you can see that much of the
> subject matter in her letter to Solovyff is confirmed
> in the letter she had written to Judge himself only 3
> weeks before.
> It is this technique of comparing and contrasting
> genuine letters of HPB with the disputed Solovyoff
> letters that can lead one to the conclusion that these
> letters of HPB to Solovyoff are probably genuine.
> In fact, if you take this technique of comparing what
> can be learned of this TIME PERIOD thru letters, diary
> entries, reminiscences of the time, etc. these
> supposed HPB letters to Solovyoff seem to accurately
> portray either known historical facts and details or
> what HPB is known to have written elsewhere.
> And an observation that should also be made is that if
> Solovyoff was actually forging these HPB letters, why
> didn't he include something that would be really
> damaging such as a confession from her that she had
> faked the Mahatma letters or the Masters or her
> psychic phenomena. 
> Now Solovyoff in his narrative does claim that she
> VERBALLY told him certain things that would show her
> as a fraud but in her letters as transcribed in MODERN
> PRIESTESS OF ISIS, such admissions are not there. 
> (There is one letter of hers to Solovyoff known as her
> "Confession" letter which might be construed in a
> negative way but as several authors have pointed out: 
> this negative "interpretation"
> doesn't hold up on a close reading of the letter in
> question.")
> Solovyoff's book is a valuable historical record but
> of course one needs to use some of the material with
> caution. Certainly persons interested in the
> relationship between Solovyoff and Blavatsky should
> read other material that helps one to understand
> these events.
> Some of the works that should be consulted are:
> (1)Cranston's HPB biography (the chapter on Solovyoff)
> (2)Beatrice Hasting's "Solovyoff's Fraud"
> (3) K.F. Vania's book on HPB
> (3)the valuable appendix A in MODERN PRIESTESS which
> is a partial translation of HPB's sister Vera's
> defense pamphlet in answer to Solovyoff's book.
> And several other books and documents.
> It should be noted that Boris de Zirkoff, the compiler
> of HPB's Collected Writings, even uses material in
> Solovyoff's book to document various events in the
> "Chronological Survey" of HPB's life
> for the years 1884, 1885 and 1886. 
> Now on Theos-Talk Carlos Aveline has almost constantly
> been reciting the mantra of slanders, lies, falsehoods
> about both the Solovyoff and
> Coulomb books. And certainly one must use these books
> with caution especially since both authors turned
> against H.P.B.
> But to throw the baby out with the bathwater, that is,
> to completely ignore these books seems equally foolish
> since these books do contain valuable historical data.
> Again Carlos also wants to characterize anyone who
> uses this material as somehow the "enemy" of HPB and
> Theosophy. His favorite words apparently are:
> "slander" and "slanderer."
> Daniel
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