Re: Theos-World Re: Visionaries,visions, hallucinations and imagination
May 04, 2006 08:08 PM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins
Interesting to compare your reply to a Theosophical explanation that the
brain is only able to process visions of ordinary clairvoyance with is
filtered through the personality, where higher spiritual clairvoyance is
not processed by the brain at all but directly perceived through a
higher principle unconnected to the brain.
I suggest that there is very little differentiation between a seer's
conscious expectations and a person's subconscious dream
projections. It is the same part of the brain which creates both of
them, thus marring the experience. Suffice it to say that we
commonly project illusions onto our daily waking reality, which also
mars our waking perceptions. It's the same part of the brain. It is
only when the dream material and/or the expectations cease
altogether, that the seer is seeing clearly, in the absence of
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...> wrote:
An interesting theory you have concerning the brain projecting
material into an untrained seer's vision. I'm not sure I
(or if) you are distinguishing between expectations the seer may
the result of training, and the brain's function of interjecting
when it cannot accept what it is seeing. For instance, in normal
life, one may witness an event and still perceive an unexpected
outcome. On the other hand, if one is forewarned to expect a
outcome, and that forewarning is not questioned, one's perceptions
be altered to conform to that forewarning.
I'm not one to claim that I speak with ascended masters, but I
encountered a myriad of ghost entities (many hundreds at least)
during my travels upon the astral planes. Suffice it to say that
most supernatural experiences (99%) that people have are distorted
dream material which is projected onto them. When the physical
is not acclimated to the supernatural realm, it remains
materialistically focused, and therefore dreams. However, when
brain's materialistic dependencies cease for a time, then the
imageries also cease, and a person is capable of percieving
into the supernatural realm without skew.
Hallucinations and dreams are triggered by the brain's failure to
reconcile higher supernatural experience with the lesser material
reality. In other words, if the brain cannot accept a
experience, it will most definitely project hallucinogenic/dream
images onto it. For example, an unknown ghost entity may
appear to a person from the supernatural realm, but if the brain
cannot accept the supernatural experience, the brain will
colorize the event with imageries of Michael the Archangel or
Christ. Whatever is familiar to the individual.
--- In email@example.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@> wrote:
I posted this message about twenty days ago and, for some reason,
failed to go to distribution. So, for Cass (you asked in the
place) and others who might be interested in the subject, I am
re-writing and reposting it as a new discussion string.
Dear Cass, Friends,
Cass, I'm not sure that visions for their own sake are all that
interesting for a third party who does not actually experience
my case, I don't see beings on Mars or talk to ascended Masters.
think that people experience a variety of different kinds of
mental phenomena that originate from a variety of states of
consciousness that all people can potentially achieve. What the
actually relate in their experiences has, I think, more to do
"reality" they attribute to it. For instance, I recently had
entertained a visitor who trained for many years with a Brazilian
spiritist from the Kardec school. For a couple of hours she
me various visions she had. She told me in total seriousness of
meetings and conversations with the Archangel Michael and other
celestial celebrities. While she was telling me these things, I
to myself: "now if she were from India and had the same
would probably be telling me of her meetings with Krishna etc.
So, I think the visions themselves are less important than the
they point to for the person who has the experience. That is
the insights seem always to be around some personal context. That
experience certain things precisely because of there meaning to
because of our need to see them. For instance, I have had
people tell me of a time when they were in deep despair and
appeared in their room. Was the appearance physical; an astral
projection; a waking dream? That would be hard to determine.
the importance of the vision is the meaning it conveys, or the
reassurance it gives to the person at the time.
Another kind of vision is what I would call a waking lucent
is, the person is completely awake and aware of the actual
yet is experiencing a vision of a place somewhere else with all
sounds, smells, sensations etc. associated with it. These kinds
experiences sometimes occur in meditation.
Others fall into the clairvoyance category. There is a story
Swedenborg, while visiting in a distant town, clairvoyantly saw
town on fire. He described to the other guests the progress of
and which buildings burned. The accuracy of his vision was
a newspaper story that appeared a couple of days later.
Other phenomena I have seen includes telepathy. About 35 years
used to work in an open setting Community Mental Health Center
Angeles. There, I ran into several patients who were remarkable
telepaths, and would give voice to things that I was thinking.
were others who heard voices. They believed that God, or angels,
departed spirits were speaking to them.
Another phenomena I have witnessed is the presence of entities of
kind amidst extremely pathological situations. Some people seem
particularly good a drawing such entities and are surrounded by
most all of the time.
There are other things too, but this might be enough to start off
discussion. What other kinds of phenomena have you witnessed? In
phenomena, what might be the difference between spiritual and
visions, hallucinations and imagination. How are these elements
different, and how do they interact?
I hope this helps.
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