Frank: "ULT publishes falsehoods about Purucker and Tingley."
May 04, 2006 11:12 AM
"ULT publishes falsehoods about Purucker and Tingley.
Not the person who quotes these ULT texts is guilty, but the persons
who wrote and spread these falsehoods."
I'm wondering if you could specify for readers on Theos-Talk
what you are referring to when you write about the ULT
publishing "falsehoods about Purucker and Tingley"?
A few examples would help readers to understand your point.
I for one would like to know what you consider "falsehoods".
Also what "ULT" texts are you referring to?
I see that Carlos is recommending a ULT text when he writes:
"Other books are also useful.'The Theosophical Movement', published
by ULT associates, is unfortunately unavaible as long as I know."
Frank, do you believe that these above mentioned falsehoods are in
this book mentioned by Carlos?
I'm sure a number of readers have noticed that Carlos is almost
constantly referring to "slanders," "lies" and "falsehoods."
Notice just one of Carlos' recent postings where he writes:
"I invite Daniel to stop circulating the old
slandes which he knows all too well to be pure
"I hope I clarified my point. I feel the same with
regard to Paul Johnson, Katinka Hesselink, John
Algeo and others who propagate falsehoods."
Now the question that comes to my mind is:
Frank, I wonder if you use the term "falsehoods" the way Carlos uses
For example, do you consider the following testimony given by Robert
Crosbie about Mrs. Katherine Tingley to be in the category of
slanders, lies and/or falsehoods?
Here is Mr. Crosbie's testimony:
"...I went to Point Loma at Mrs. Tingley's urgent request to assist
in the proposed work, and was there for two years, helping to
prepare the way for the expected developments. . . . I am slow to
turn back from any task I have set myself, and am prone to excuse
inconsistencies and deviation in others, so that although I had
begun to doubt, and to see, it was more than a year afterwards
before I saw so clearly and unmistakably that I took occasion to
tell Mrs. T. the facts as I saw them, and to state my intention to
withdraw from all connection with her. She tried of course in every
way to change my determination, but finding me unchangeable, she let
me go, and as I afterwards heard, gave out that she had sent me away
for "bad conduct" - just what I do not know. This of course,
to "save her own face" as the Chinese say. I am quite will aware of
her capacities in the above direction form the history of others who
had discovered her real character, and left; there is no slander too
low or mean for her to use in such cases to justify herself. Sorry
as I am to say it, such is the character of Katherine Tingley, the
Leader of the Theosophical Movement Throughout the World, as she
styles herself - (there is more of it that is simply too nauseating
to write.) It was a hard schooling for me, but it had its good uses
and effects. I feel no enmity towards her; I truly pity her and
would help her do right any time it might be in my power. I also
feel most deeply towards those who are held in mental bondage by
her; but nothing can be done - they must open their own eyes, they
mare not in a condition to have them opened by anyone else...."
"She will also speak in Belasco Theater on Sunday eve on "Some
Practical Lessons in Human Life", and will doubtless present a fair
picture to the mind's eye; and yet she is as I have said. Those who
see these pictures would not believe anything different from what
they see - and she knows it, and preys upon the best and noblest in
human nature for her own ends. I tremble for the Karma she
invokes. . . . "
Pretty strong words! Are Crosbie's words slanderous?
And notice that Crosbie even accuses Mrs. Tingley of
"...there is no slander too low or mean for her to use…."
I also wonder what Carlos' reaction would be if Mr. Crosbie had used
those identical words (quoted above) to describe Madame Blavatsky?
If this was a description of HPB, would Carlos call it: slanders,
In fact there are descriptions of HPB by certain individuals which
sound similar in description and tone to what Mr. Crosbie says about
Now notice that Carlos accuses Katinka Hesselink of "propagating
falsehoods." [See his text above.]
He does not specify in this posting of his exactly what he is
referring to in regards to Katinka.
But it should be noted that the complete transcript of Mr. Crosbie's
testimony about Mrs. Tingley is published on Katinka's website at:
So is Katinka guilty of circulating slanders, lies and falsehoods
about Mrs. Tingley?
What is your "take" on this Frank?
And it will be interesting to see if Carlos gives us his forthright
opinion about this....
Food for thought.
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