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Re: Theos-World Re: Visionaries,visions, hallucinations and imagination

May 03, 2006 12:17 PM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins

Dear Vince,

An interesting theory you have concerning the brain projecting dream material into an untrained seer's vision. I'm not sure I understand how (or if) you are distinguishing between expectations the seer may have as the result of training, and the brain's function of interjecting images when it cannot accept what it is seeing. For instance, in normal waking life, one may witness an event and still perceive an unexpected outcome. On the other hand, if one is forewarned to expect a certain outcome, and that forewarning is not questioned, one's perceptions may be altered to conform to that forewarning.

Vincent wrote:


I'm not one to claim that I speak with ascended masters, but I have encountered a myriad of ghost entities (many hundreds at least) during my travels upon the astral planes. Suffice it to say that most supernatural experiences (99%) that people have are distorted by dream material which is projected onto them. When the physical brain is not acclimated to the supernatural realm, it remains materialistically focused, and therefore dreams. However, when the brain's materialistic dependencies cease for a time, then the dream imageries also cease, and a person is capable of percieving directly into the supernatural realm without skew.

Hallucinations and dreams are triggered by the brain's failure to reconcile higher supernatural experience with the lesser material reality. In other words, if the brain cannot accept a supernatural experience, it will most definitely project hallucinogenic/dream images onto it. For example, an unknown ghost entity may literally appear to a person from the supernatural realm, but if the brain cannot accept the supernatural experience, the brain will invariably colorize the event with imageries of Michael the Archangel or Jesus Christ. Whatever is familiar to the individual.



--- In, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...> wrote:

Dear Friends,

I posted this message about twenty days ago and, for some reason,
failed to go to distribution. So, for Cass (you asked in the first place) and others who might be interested in the subject, I am re-writing and reposting it as a new discussion string.

Dear Cass, Friends,

Cass, I'm not sure that visions for their own sake are all that interesting for a third party who does not actually experience
them. In
my case, I don't see beings on Mars or talk to ascended Masters. I
think that people experience a variety of different kinds of visual
mental phenomena that originate from a variety of states of consciousness that all people can potentially achieve. What the
actually relate in their experiences has, I think, more to do with
"reality" they attribute to it. For instance, I recently had entertained a visitor who trained for many years with a Brazilian spiritist from the Kardec school. For a couple of hours she
related to
me various visions she had. She told me in total seriousness of
meetings and conversations with the Archangel Michael and other
celestial celebrities. While she was telling me these things, I
to myself: "now if she were from India and had the same
experiences, she
would probably be telling me of her meetings with Krishna etc.
So, I think the visions themselves are less important than the
they point to for the person who has the experience. That is
the insights seem always to be around some personal context. That
is, we
experience certain things precisely because of there meaning to us,
because of our need to see them. For instance, I have had several people tell me of a time when they were in deep despair and
a "Master"
appeared in their room. Was the appearance physical; an astral projection; a waking dream? That would be hard to determine.
the importance of the vision is the meaning it conveys, or the reassurance it gives to the person at the time.
Another kind of vision is what I would call a waking lucent dream.
is, the person is completely awake and aware of the actual
yet is experiencing a vision of a place somewhere else with all of
sounds, smells, sensations etc. associated with it. These kinds of experiences sometimes occur in meditation.

Others fall into the clairvoyance category. There is a story that Swedenborg, while visiting in a distant town, clairvoyantly saw his
town on fire. He described to the other guests the progress of the
and which buildings burned. The accuracy of his vision was
confirmed in
a newspaper story that appeared a couple of days later.
Other phenomena I have seen includes telepathy. About 35 years ago
used to work in an open setting Community Mental Health Center in
Angeles. There, I ran into several patients who were remarkable telepaths, and would give voice to things that I was thinking.
were others who heard voices. They believed that God, or angels,
departed spirits were speaking to them.
Another phenomena I have witnessed is the presence of entities of
kind amidst extremely pathological situations. Some people seem to
particularly good a drawing such entities and are surrounded by
most all of the time.
There are other things too, but this might be enough to start off a discussion. What other kinds of phenomena have you witnessed? In
phenomena, what might be the difference between spiritual and
visions, hallucinations and imagination. How are these elements different, and how do they interact?
I hope this helps.

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