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Re: Theos-World Carlos uses the Same kind of argument as defenders of Leadbeater, etc.??

Apr 25, 2006 10:29 AM
by M. Sufilight

Hallo all,

My views are:

I find your answer in the below email interesting and well put.
And I will await a wise answer from the spiritual Heart of Carlos.
I do however find other issues, to be even more important.
How to deal with Jesuitism is one of them.

If you try to relate your below answering email to my recent
email on the issue, I think you - at least one day - will understand,
why there is more important stuff to this issue on Judge, Crosbie etc. than you have touched
upon in your below email and other recent related emails.

Try and compare your below email with this recent Theos-talk email by me.
The truth is, that Blavatsky and the Masters - among others things -
prepared the ground for further development of the living progress of the Path of Wisdom.

Appearntly my email got deflected by a number of other emails.
Silence about the content of the above link is, as we know also an answer.
What are your views on the above link ???

I hope my rusty English is coming across...

M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- From: "danielhcaldwell" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Theos-World Carlos uses the Same kind of argument as defenders of Leadbeater, etc.??

In previous years in discussing
historical events and various teachings
with students/defenders of Besant, Leadbeater,
Bailey, Prophet, etc., I have noticed a
recurring "theme" or "tactic" used by these individuals.

When you cite various historical records
that conflict with their assertions, or you
cite certain teachings given by HPB that
conflict with the individuals
listed above, invariably the "defenders" will bring
forth in one way or the other what Carlos
has recently brought forth:


Defenders of Besant, Leadbeater, Bailey
and Prophet caution us not to depend or
rely too much (or at all!) on outer historical records, they
say not to depend on the "intellect" and
the "dead letter" of HPB's words but rather on the "intuition"
(the "heart").

In other words, when either historical records concerning
early Theosophical history and HPB
or actual teachings of HPB conflict with their
versions of reality, they try to deemphasize
the actual history, the actual teachings by
"going vague".  If you can make the historical events or
teachings vague enough or "fuzzy" enough or of no
consequence then there are really no contradictions,
no conflicting claims, no differing teachings.

In the next few months when I have more time, I will
try to do a chart and show how these defenders (many of them
have actually been on Theos-Talk over the years) including
Carlos actually use this method.


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