Is Bruce putting words and thoughts in my mouth and mind???!!
Apr 11, 2006 03:05 PM
I like the way you think you know what I really think
How in heavens do you come to some of your
Where does one start to answer all of your
suppositions -- one piled upon another?!!
I hope that the campaign to get Adyar to open their archives
and publish all the relevant Judge documents
is successful! All of this material should
have been available years ago. Also the Pasadena
TS and their archives also has many relevant documents
concerning the Judge case, etc. that should be made available
My own personal experience has been that sometimes Adyar and
sometimes Pasadena has provided me with valuable archival material
and other times they have declined to provide material. I don't know
what their motivations were for declining certain material.
I have always considered myself an outsider with these groups
although I am a member of both groups. I probably ask too many
questions and I have published material that both groups probably
didn't want published! or circulated!
If I have any expertise at all it is with the Blavatsky material. I
have focused most of my attention and efforts on trying to collect
and understand the history of the movement up to HPB's death. But I
also try not to prejudge things. I try to look at the evidence pro
and con and then try to let the evidence tip the scales for me.
That is why I wanted years ago to study all the material relating to
the Hodgson/Coulomb case. etc. etc. I slowly came to the opinion
that what Hodgson and Coulomb said about HPB was not true. BUT I
didn't just read and accept what Waterman/Carrithers or Harrison or
Cranston wrote. I went to the original material and read and studied
it for myself. Have you, for example, personally read and carefully
studied Hodgson's Report?? and then looked at dozens of other
relevant documents and collated all of this together??? I have and
one can gain some very important insights, etc.
As regards the controversy surrounding Mr. Judge, I am very much for
ALL THE MATERIAL RELATING TO THIS CONTROVERY AS WELL AS TO HIS LIFE
to be made available and published either in books or on the web.
As to my comments about Pelletier's book, I believe my statements
are factual and true. Please show me where I have misstated
something. Goodness I said Pelletier's book contained a treasure
trove of good material. But I also stand by my other statements.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Robert Bruce MacDonald"
> Dear Folks,
> Does anyone get the idea that Daniel does not like Judge or Judge
> supporters? The effort he puts into keeping alive a century old
> that can only divide theosophists from one another is truly
> he is so concerned with the truth why doesn't he use the capital
he has with
> Wheaton and Adyar to demand that they make accessible their
archives? It is
> not the defenders of Judge and Blavatsky that have anything to
> would certainly support him in any effort he makes towards
> issues. Regrettably he is single mindedly interested in
preserving the lies
> and misunderstandings of the past and repeating them at every
> This does nothing to clarify, rather it only muddies the waters.
> goes to the extent of providing accusations against the contents
> Judge Case that he knows have already been answered elsewhere.
> much mud as one can as some is sure to stick.
> The sad fact is that there exists no case against Judge, only
> and suppositions - no evidence. What Ernest Pelletier has done is
> demonstrated that there is no evidence against Judge, and then
provided us a
> reasonable explanation of what happened given the record of
> integrity and his claims of innocence. What Daniel has done
> that Judge is a liar without integrity and has "SPECULATED" that
he was in
> fact politically motivated to try and gain the presidency of the
> Utter Nonsense! - Where is the evidence?) by demonstrating his
> the Masters. Where is there any evidence to support this
> is Daniel trying to keep this wild speculation alive? What
purpose does it
> serve? It does not serve the interests of theosophy nor the
> Universal Brotherhood. D.J. Buxey, after spending many years
around some of
> the principles in this matter has come to the conclusion that
> Olcott felt they had wronged Judge. See:
> Perhaps it is time that Daniel Caldwell should look himself in the
> and ask himself why he wants to continue to be a merchant in lies
> innuendo. Who is it that is really dealing in SPECULATION?
> If Daniel truly wants to help, then he can push to open the
> Ernest Pelletier has already demonstrated one piece of evidence
> has hidden away in its archives, what else do they have? Daniel?
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