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Meat & the autonomy of the learner

Mar 30, 2006 02:49 PM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline


At some point A. P. Sinnett said to the Master he could stop drinking alcohol, eating meat, etc.

The Master said it was not worthwhile.

Because the Masters respect one's own time, rhythm and autonomy.

So perhaps more important than doing this or that, or abstaining from this or that, it is for us to examine whether we take autonomous decisions, if we are ready to do this or that with peace, calm, authenticity and autonomy, and not because somene told us to do that.

The general debate about Ethics & Meat Consumption is useful, and the Masters encouraged vegetarianism in principle, yet no one must be forced into this or that outward behaviour.

Everyone has his or her own time and this must be respected.

Regards, Carlos.

From: "M. Sufilight" <>
To: <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: How to help humanity...and altruism...
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:00:43 +0200

Hallo Hauw and all,

My views are:

What is important here is the motives with your actions.
It is true to say: Never hurt, always help. If you can't help, seek to at
least avoid hurting anyone.
But, we will have to remember, that Blavatsky was also agreeing upon,
that the Bhagavad Gita was an important book.
Before The Battle at Kurukshetra, the Avatar Krishna tells the disciple
Arjuna, that it is allright to fight the war, because it is unavoidable.
It is the motives with your actions, which are important.
Yet, again one should always seek to never hurt, and always help.

An example:
If I for instance drink a lot of beers or numerous bottles of wine together
a friend of mine. I might be able to help my friend out of his/hers
If I seek to help my friend just by preeching/lecturing in the local
theosophical lodge,
while my friend are seated at the local pub, I could be said to be a poor
It is all in all a question about honesty, truth in compassion, and motive
Compassion is something you are clearly aware of that you have. You are not
in doubt
about it. If you are in doubt, you are most often not really compassionate.
At least not
on that level or a real visible level. Yet, some people sometimes confuse
spiritual awareness with emotional reactions, excitement and the like.

That were my views.
What are yours?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hauw" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:58 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: How to help humanity...and altruism...

> Hi Sufi and all,
> In addition to what you wrote, I would like to share with everyone
> what I read in "The Extraordinary Life & Influence of Helena
> Blavatsky" by Silvia Cranston. In it, HPB is said to have written a
> letter in 1888 that includes the following:
> "....We are the friends of all those who fight against drunkenness,
> against cruelty to animals, against injustice to women ....."
> So I'm somewhat puzzled by some earlier posts in this list that mock
> vegetarianism and animal-rights. Anyone care to comment?
> Cheers
> Hauw
> New student of Theosophy.
> --- In, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> theosophy@...> wrote:
>> Hallo all,
>> My views are:
>> Blavatsky might have something to say, which many so-called
> theosophists
>> completely forget.
>> Let us help humanity!
>> Blvatsky said:
>> "How then can it be thought possible for a man to enter the
> <snip>
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