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Animals: look at their eyes...

Mar 30, 2006 12:12 PM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline


Dear Friends,

As to vegetarianism, I once had an interesting experience.

I went with a friend of mine, a photographer, to get images from the killing of
cows in a slaughterhouse.

The first thing my friend said when we emerged out of the slaughterhouse, after seeing and documenting what happened there, was:

"There is no power in the world that can make me repeat this experience".

I use to recomend people to observe the melancholy, the sadness and the spiritual intelligence shining in the eyes of a cow after the deathblow, as she looks at her own blood getting to the soil.

The "animal magnetism" problem well mentioned by Cass may be a "theoretical" thing, easy to explain away for most of us -- until we see and experience what goes on in a slaughterhouse.

Easy to eat the meat. Not so easy to kill our brothers and sisters, the animals.

George Bernard Shaw, a vegetarian, once asked:

"Who said that, just because they can't talk, the animals are not intelligent?"

Look at their eyes when they are dying and you will see what I mean.

The blame-game against people who eat meat is useless.

But thinking about life and ethics towards animals is within our possibilities.

Regards, Carlos.

From: Cass Silva <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: How to help humanity...and altruism...
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:27:03 -0800 (PST)

My thoughts on vegetarianism and animal rights are simple. From a humanitarian point of view it is cruel to kill animals. From a theosophical perspective, the organs etc of the animals which have been slaughtered carry vibrations seeped in fear. Our etheric bodies digest these negative fears and keep our lower selves clothed in this course matter. Most of us are not aware of it, but I believe there have been scientific studies which prove that meat-eaters are far more aggressive than non-meat eaters.

Our true spiritual journey begins with purification of all our thoughts, emotions/desires/passions and actions, and the purification of the physical frame. All unpure thoughts, emotions or actions must be burned out if we are too receive the secrets of our divinity. We must be ubermensch, masters of our own soul, that is the lower triad. Once we begin to live entirely in the higher self we become perfect vessels for wisdom and helpers of humanity.

The question of vegetarianism then becomes a moot point and a moral imperative. Some may choose in this lifetime to commence to purify the physical frame, while others choose to purify their thoughts and others choose to commence to purify their desires or passions. Others may work on one or two at the same time. The process is long and purifying the physical frame is in fact the easiest of all. Purifying every thought requires awareness of every thought that passes through the brain. The road is long and my current maxim is "make me a good boy, but not yet"

When the question of vegetarianism arises the backlash usually addresses HPB's smoking, etc. My pov is that HPB was the vessel of the masters. The masters vibrations is so pure that they cannot physically stay in our company for too long. HPB as their vessel was required to remain in our physical environment, in order to do this, she in fact needed to be grounded in a certain amount of gross matter, and this I believe was the reason for her peculiarities.

This is my personal point of view and I wish no harm on others should my understanding be false.


nhcareyta <> wrote: --- In, "Hauw" wrote:
> Hi Sufi and all,
> In addition to what you wrote, I would like to share with everyone
> what I read in "The Extraordinary Life & Influence of Helena
> Blavatsky" by Silvia Cranston. In it, HPB is said to have written a
> letter in 1888 that includes the following:
> "....We are the friends of all those who fight against drunkenness,
> against cruelty to animals, against injustice to women ....."
> So I'm somewhat puzzled by some earlier posts in this list that
> vegetarianism and animal-rights. Anyone care to comment?
> Cheers
> Hauw
> New student of Theosophy.

Dear Hauw
In my experience vegetarianism and animal rights can be quite a
contentious issue, even amongst students of theosophy.
In genuine Theosophy, all students are free to adopt their own
lifestyle as they choose, within the bounds of reasonable behaviour.
Perhaps a raw nerve is touched for some when certain vegetarians in
either past or present times, imply or have implied, subtly or
otherwise, that they are somehow more "spiritually advanced" than
others. This mindset being at total variance to Theosophy might
generate the mocking from others you mention. However, for your
information as a "new student", there are literally thousands of
theosophical students throughout the world who have adopted a
vegetarian diet with some going to the extent of becoming vegan. We
can only hope that none of us fall into the superiority fallacy
mentioned. For me who prefers a vegan diet, that which comes out of a
person's mouth is perhaps far more important than that which goes
into it.
With best regards

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