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Re: How to help humanity, and altruism...

Mar 27, 2006 03:54 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline



Cass,

Thanks.

Where does exactly the spiritual path begin?
It begins right where you are, whether you are married or not.

Lay chelas can be married.

And before being lay chelas we may have to spend a few lives (you never know) as ASPIRANTS to lay-chelaship (lay-discipleship).

It begins right where you are, whether you are married or not.

Buddha's legend -- a legend and no more, like the one on Christ - makes him abandon family as a symbol or metaphor for detachment.

Yet I agree with the fundamental view which you gave us.

Most things are gradual aslong the path, and every "defeat" is but the preparation for a better
victory later on.

Carlos.



From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: How to help humanity, and altruism...
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:39:50 -0800 (PST)

In effect, doesn't this mean that to be on the spiritual path we must conquer all our desires, including sexual, in order that we can become truly altruistic. Hence why the Buddha walked away from the life of a married man, his wife and his children. Everything which he probably held dear had to be let go off for the larger family, humanity.

Cass

carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sufilight,

1) The name of the Master, in the "Initiate" series by Cyril Scott, is
"Justin" Moreward Haig, not "Jerome", I guess. Take a look.

2) I fully agree with your comments and quotations.


Thanks, Carlos.

>From: "M. Sufilight"
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Theos-World How to help humanity...and altruism...
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:44:22 +0100
>
>Hallo all,
>
>My views are:
>
>Blavatsky might have something to say, which many so-called theosophists
>completely forget.
>
>
>Let us help humanity!
>
>Blvatsky said:
>"How then can it be thought possible for a man to enter the
>"straight gate" of occultism when his daily and hourly thoughts
>are bound up with worldly things, desires of possession and power,
>with lust, ambition and duties, which, however honourable, are
>still of the earth earthy? Even the love for wife and family--the
>purest as the most unselfish of human affections--is a barrier to
>real occultism. For whether we take as an example the holy love of
>a mother for her child, or that of a husband for his wife, even in
>these feelings, when analyzed to the very bottom, and thoroughly
>sifted, there is still selfishness in the first, and an �goisme
>� deux in the second instance. What mother would not sacrifice
>without a moment's hesitation hundreds of thousands of lives for
>that of the child of her heart? and what lover or true husband
>would not break the happiness of every other man and woman around
>him to satisfy the desire of one whom he loves? This is but
>natural, we shall be told. Quite so; in the light of the code of
>human affections; less so, in that of divine universal love. For,
>while the heart is full of thoughts for a little group of selves,
>near and dear to us, how shall the rest of mankind fare in our
>souls? What percentage of love and care will there remain to
>bestow on the "great orphan"? And how shall the "still small
>voice" make itself heard in a soul entirely occupied with its
>own privileged tenants? What room is there left for the needs
>of Humanity en bloc to impress themselves upon, or even receive
>a speedy response? And yet he who would profit by the wisdom of
>the universal mind, has to reach it through the whole of
>Humanity without distinction of race, complexion, religion or
>social status. It is altruism, not ego-ism even in its most legal
>and noble conception, that can lead the unit to merge its little
>Self in the Universal Selves. It is to these needs and to this
>work that the true disciple of true Occultism has to devote
>himself, if he would obtain theo-sophy, divine Wisdom and
>Knowledge.
>
>The aspirant has to choose absolutely between the life of the
>world and the life of Occultism. It is useless and vain to
>endeavour to unite the two, for no one can serve two masters
>and satisfy both. No one can serve his body and the higher
>Soul, and do his family duty and his universal duty, without
>depriving either one or the other of its rights; for he will
>either lend his ear to the "still small voice" and fail to
>hear the cries of his little ones, or, he will listen but
>to the wants of the latter and remain deaf to the voice
>of Humanity"...
>(Article: OCCULTISM VERSUS THE OCCULT ARTS by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889)
>
>- - - - - - -
>
>I have though had some afterthought on this.
>The following might help to understand, that there various are levels
>of understanding and that a number of beginners not easily
>should be adviced to take step of a totally non-worldly kind.
>
>You all know that theosophy is Altruism at its core.
>
>The following describes another views upon the Blavatsky quote
>in the above:
>http://www.theosophy.com/theos-talk/200408/tt00369.html
>A minor excerpt:
>The text quoted is an excerpt of a lecture given by the so-called Initiate
>named
>JMH - Jerome Moreward Haig. The subject of the lecture was something like
>"Love and its relation to maya. And how to strenghten you capacity for love
>through meditation and other means".
>
>I do not hope, that the reader will underestimate the value, that the
>content of the text could have.
>Here it is...JMH...is talking...
>
>***
>As he neared the conclusion of his discourse he said: "Are there no other
>methods for
>acquiring this attitude- other than the methods of meditation prescribed?
>Personally I
>believe there are. Take the analogy of the blacksmith's arm; his right arm
>is unusually
>strong and muscular, his left is weak and puny in comparison. Why is this?
>Because he
>has developed the strength of his right arm by swinging the hammer; his
>left he has
>only used as all people use it who are not ambidextrous. And it's just the
>same with
>love- exercise the will to love, and you develop the capacity to love, so
>that your
>whole love - nature becomes strong and enduring; love in the ordinary way
>as people
>do who are merely attracted, and your love - nature remains weak and
>sickly, and
>eventually dies altogether. For observe; love requires to be nourished from
>within and
>not from without. As long as you are dependent on externals you'll never be
>safe. Only
>when you make up your mind not to depend on those externals will you be
>secure.
>(All three books can be found online here by a wellmeaning Seekers
>http://www.sanctusgermanus.net/books/books.html )
>
>from
>M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
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