Our Vatican & Our Actions
Mar 23, 2006 05:36 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
1) When you plant the seed of a long-living tree, you do not see immediate
results. That's why the "Bhagavad Gita" teaches us that efforts should not
aim at short-term fruits.
2) I have heard good things about John Coats, though I never met him. I had
correspondence with his wife, Betty, who lived into the 1980s and was an
3) Changes in leadership usually respond to pressure from "common citizens".
Rotten leaderships occur in the absence of "active common citizens" and in
the presence of ritualistic blind belief.
As the wider movement is only one, and as Adyar TS influences all of the
movement, so can each "common citizen" influence that part of Adyar's
history which is yet to be written. The center of the theosophical universe
is everywhere. It's only a question of awakening it into action.
4) Yes, one lie leads to another, as one truth leads to the next one. So, by
starting small movements towards accepting facts, Adyar TS and other human
organizations can put healthy
karmic trends in movement.
5) Perhaps the most dificult thing is for us, ourselves, to see that we can
exert our own creative influence over reality. Mental and emotional
laziness tries to "teach" us that it is not possible, not worthwhile, that
we are mere "objects" or "consummers" and not "citizens" in the
6) As to the heavy power-game in the 20th century, including wars, this is
one part of the equation.
Things are contradictory and they have evolved. Germany now is different
and it has many lessons to teach in ecological consciousness, in democratic
values, in sustainable development, etc.
7) If we gradually learn how to combine critical thinking with constructive
actions, and renounce labeling some as absolutely bad and others as entirely
good, we may discover one day the reality of something called Vairagya.
We fundamentally agree.
Best regards, Carlos.
From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Rome Vatican and Our Own Vatican
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:47:16 +0100
=>For instance, I would like to see Adyar TS, our
own small theosophical
Vatican, honestly saying:
Carlos, basicly a good idea, but without hope of
become real, at least with the present people
leading Adyar (with some exceptions here and
What is needed is people in leading positions of
the character of a John Coats, one who respects
Truth and Brotherhood more that his own sect.
=>*Sorry, we made a persecution against W. Judge
in the 1890s and he was
The spiritual decline began with the lies against
Judge. To justify this lies Adyar invented myriads
of new lies. A whole card house.
=>*Sorry, we recently adopted the Coulomb and
Soloviof lies in our books, we
will not go on with that".
My point is not so much that they print it, but
that they present it in a misleading form make
them appear as if they were authentic.
=>*Sorry, we declared Krishnamurti was the vehicle
for the Lord Christ and he
would reform the world and extinguish all wars in
the 20th century, we were
K for himself said in 1921 regarding the break of
promises of US President Wilson via Germany and
her unjust plundering, that they prepare for a new
World War and he wonders how to stop it.
I write this from memory, have read it elsewhere
in K literature and have the source not at hand.
It was also Wilson who promised that the USA would
enter the war to end all wars. But they did not
end to plunder other nations.
Later on Roosevelt promised, too, to lead the USA
into WW II (the Pearl Harbor trick) to end all
But in 1945 the wars did not stop. They did not
stop to plunder other nations (Korea, Vietnam,
Panama, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan), over 200 wars
since 1945 and most were initiated by the CIA.
At the 100th German Section Anniversary in Berlin
Dr. Peter Michel's chela Miss Manuela Oetinger
confirmed unchallenged on the authority of the
Masters - she named to me KH, M, Dwjual Khool, St.
Germain, Krishnamurti, Blavatsky (sic) - which she
channels and which she saw flying around in the
hall, nodding benevolent, that the present wars of
Bush must be supported by all Theosophists and
that wer must do as much evil things as possible
to combat the evil and that Bush now makes forever
an end with all wars.
We are near the paradise! Hooray!
Peter Michel later on confirmed that the history
of the Adyar TS is an unparalleled success story
and based on this bif successes their future will
OTOH, level-headed theosophists, esp. those who
have studied the material of Adyar's political
intrigues in both World Wars, could come to the
conclusion that those who talk of wars to end the
wars suffer from shizophrenia and TALK quite the
opposite of what they DO!
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