Re: Theos-World Re: Jesus
Mar 22, 2006 07:10 PM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins
You asked me to address your question. I will, but I have to take the
long way around. So please be patient. In the end, I think you will
see why I answered in this way:
The problem lies in our lack of understanding of late classical Greek
literature. The Greeks had no problem distinguishing between
Herodotus' histories and Homer's Odyssey. The former was an account of
what Herodotus saw and accounts of wars he recorded. The latter is a
hero's journey of a man who becomes a god. To put it another way,
Aristotle, in his "Poetics" distinguished between "logos" and "mythos."
Logos represents the bare information, while the mythos gives it
meaning. Where is the truth that has real meaning? It is in the
mythos. So, even though the Odyssey is a fictional work, it represents
deeper truths. For the ancient Greeks, spiritual truth was transmitted
by Bards through the telling of sacred stories--what we today call
myths. Today, our Christian culture has taught us to regard myths as
lies, as false stories. For the Greeks, they once represented exactly
So the logos of the Jesus story might be: A man was born. He became a
Rabbi. He died.
The mythos goes like this: There was a man, the only begotten son of
god, born of a virgin, and descended from the house of David. He
ministered and healed people for a year and was crucified on a cross so
that all who believes in him will be saved.
All of those mythic elements had deep meaning to the Greeks:
Son of god, as was Heracles and Asclepius.
Born of a virgin: As were all of god's heroes.
Descended from the House of David: A reference to Judaism, so that he
can have hereditary claim to kingship (Messiah).
Ministered and healed: Because heroes are wise or healers or both. The
great god or god-men healers of the time included Asclepius and Serapis.
For a year: representing the course of the sun god Apollo, whom Jesus
was identified in the early church.
Crucified on the cross: The cross was a Greek and Roman solar symbol
before it was taken over by the Christians.
So that all who believes in him will be saved: The original theological
teaching of the early Christians.
Other mythical elements include:
He turned water into wine: An allusion to Bacchus, who did the same.
Rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a ass, or on a Colt: another allusion
Walked on water: allusion to Neptune.
Healed the sick, made the blind see: Allusion to Asclepius and Serapis.
So where is the historical Jesus? He is neither in the mythos nor the
logos. "Historical" originally derived from the Greek and denoted
inquiry. Therefore, to find the historical Jesus, we have to look
outside of the myth find accounts. Unfortunately, there aren't any.
The Josephus account has been proven to be a Christian interpolation.
Tacitus' account of Nero blaming and persecuting the Christians for the
burning of Rome is very likely a later addition. Philo the Jew was a
contemporary of the Biblical Jesus but does not mention a Jesus nor the
Jewish-Christians, though he thoroughly accounts for every Jewish sect.
The Roman have no record of him.
So, it is from this way of viewing things that HPB can express doubt
about the historicity of the person in the gospel accounts. She never
says that the historical Jesus did not exist. She only says, truthfully,
that we honestly don't know anything for sure about him, even if he did
in fact exist. So, she is leaving it open to the interpretation that
the Biblical Jesus is no more or less historical than the Heracles and
Asclepius of myth. I have an old Roman coin here with a bust of Nero on
the obverse and a depiction of Heracles on the reverse. The inscription
on the reverse says: HERAKLES SOTER: Heracles, Savior.
There are a lot of historical people who have been proposed as a model
upon which the Jesus story evolved. Apollonius is one of them. The
Jesus story could have been formulated upon distant memories of several
people and events. We just don't know.
What we do know is that in literary style, the Gospel stories have all
the literary trappings of Greek myth.
Hope this helps.
Cass Silva wrote:
Dear Morten and all
I am confused about Jesus. HPB places Jesus as a historical fact, yet also says, if he in fact existed? A Rosicrucian friend of mind believes that Apollonius of Tyana was the true world teacher, and believes that Jesus, the Carpenter is a fiction of the gnostics.
"M. Sufilight" <email@example.com> wrote: Hallo Vince and all,
My views are:
There are the Seekers questions about spiritual or esoterical matters.
These question are in fact not always easily answered.
One reason being that Truth as such about such matters have to be experienced on a higher level
rather than digested by ordinary intellect or by emotional reactions.
It from time to time happens, that the Seeker somehow finds himself or herself to WANT to
know about something.
And another issue is what the Seeker actually esoterically NEED to know about.
Sometimes there is a big difference there.
Ignorance about what one actually Needs to know about
when viewed from an high spiritual or esoterical level is
a problem the Seekers often faces.
Questions which for instance request, that one answers by giving more than 64.000
examples of the faults in the Bible - are perhaps not that important.
And yet it might be so.
Now, if I was a master, I could most certainly create a rather huge email or a number of emails
showing the more than 64.000 faults in the Bible. The question is also, whether
i would do that, if there was a different and more important
need to attend to.
Some of the faults have been written about by Blavatsky herself.
I have personally never read a book showing all the faults.
It is also important, that The Liberal Catholic Church (LCC) or TS Adyar have never created
an official scripture showing that. They completely seem to ignore this important fact.
One shall know people on their fruits. But, perhaps the famous author Dan Brown is
planning a book on this, who knows. :-)
Actually such a book could be a devastating blow to the most narrowminded of the Catholic's
and other similar creeds. Truth has always been a difficult task to the
Church of Rome it seems.
If you really think that you NEED to know about all these faults.
You could search the Internet, or elsewhere.
Perhaps Dallas or others connected to Blavatskt.net have more to
offer you on this than I am at the moment.
If I only had 1-2.000 faults to write down.
I would publish a book about it - or perhaps offer the script to Dan Brown.
Just to see, what would happen. :-)
I think, that some of the scholars with a theosophical or esoterical leaning
could easily find 1-2.000 faults.
Here is one of the more wellknown faults.
The Secret Doctrine, Vol. 3.
http://www.theosophical.ca/SecDoctrine3B.htm ( Page 199)
Not everyone accept this volumes content though.
Try original THE SECRET DOCTRINE on more information:
(This is the Original online version. Although it is Without the Cover.)
- - - - - - -
A Greek Orthodox, and Evangelical, and a Jesuit are doing an archeological dig in Jerusalem. They come across a Tomb that says, in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, "Here lies Jesus of Nazareth, who claimed he was King of the Jews, and was executed at Passover under Pontius Pilate".
Excited by the find, they open the tomb, only to be horrified to find a crucified body.
"Oh my goodness," says the Orthodox. "The Church and all the good it does is based on a false event."
"Oh my goodness," says the Evangelical. "The Bible, which has guided by entire life, is nothing but a lie."
"Oh my goodness," says the Jesuit. "There really was a Jesus."
M. Sufilight with peace and love...
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