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Mar 19, 2006 06:37 PM
by Shel Steijl

Well said Vince - I agree (my 0.02 too).. Shel

----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent" <>
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World A letter by Master Morya

Please pardon my intrusion, but this is one of the most well thought posts that I've ever read. I'm brand new here as of a few days, but the spirit of this post makes perfect sense, and any sensible individuals should be in full agreement with it, in my humble opinion. Just my two cents.

--- In, "robert_b_macd" <robert.b.macdonald@...> wrote:

Steve, Sufilight, and all,

I think the letter and your attendant comments point to what
should be
the heart of the movement. It is an understanding of the heart of
this letter that theosophists need to address. Brotherhood is a
two-way connection. I think Carlos mentioned in one of his posts
somewhere that computers are isolating. Consequently when I read
of the posts on this site, as on any site, I am struck by what I
"automatic responses" that seem to indicate very little thought.
often people's positions are misrepresented and people end up
resorting to sniping in order to "score points", or so it would
I think both Jerry and Krsanna allude to this to some extent.

It seems that this is where the golden rule should come in. When
read someone's post, we should be open and attentive to context and
nuance. When posting you are using a few words to convey,
complex positions. Some of those who post are not posting in their
first language. If we assume people to be honest and open then
an effort to understand what they are saying seems to be the least
that we can do. What is the use of proclaiming to have a movement
which people bring differing views to the discussion if we insist
understanding everything according to our own narrow viewpoint?
not brotherhood mean trying to understand what the other has to
If we are going to categorize the contents of another's posts
according to what "political" motive we think that he or she may
then how are we going to move forward? We are dismissing the other
person and what he or she has to say because they are "this" or
"that". Once we know what "this" or "that" they are then we can
"respond automatically" without much thought.

This is what goes on in the world today and passes for "News",
"Politics", "Religion", etc. We are nothing more than a microcosm
what is happening out there in the greater Society. Despite any
pretensions we may have of self-importance because we are studying
"Occult", our practices betray who we really are. We can be easily
set against one another in the same way that Jews, Christians,
Moslems, Hindus, etc. are set against each other by unscrupulous
seeking advantage over all. While we fight our silly battles over
what ideology or understanding of some obscure metaphysical point
correct, the world is being stolen out from underneath us. If we
can't learn to be open and honest with one another, then how can
world learn? If we cannot trust one another, then how can Moslem
learn to trust Jew and vice versa? Morality comes before the
understanding of Occult concepts. This is an occult law.

It is this point that the Blavatsky - Olcott debate revolves
How do we trust one another? How do we fight the inevitable doubt
that rises in our mind against those who think differently? That
why I say to those who think that looking back into our history is
only going to cause dissension, that they are mistaken. The
that caused the split is the same ignorance that now keeps us
It is not different. It is current.

If people were really willing to listen to one another, the
conversation on this site could go so much deeper than the
mud slinging that now passes for debate. As I read the posts I see
ideas bouncing off impenetrable exteriors and nonsense delivered in
return. If this group really wants to understand theosophy, they
going to have to let down their barriers.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings,

--- In, Steven Levey <sallev1@> wrote:
> Sufiflight
> > Thank you for presenting this letter. I think it goes a
way in explaining the true motive behind the Theosophical work, as
well as the important issue of simply applying what makes good
to us, in the service of others. Not to mention the hugely imortant
issue of putting the minds of students upon the work, rather than
overly large concern for who said what to whom and from what Master
did this or that come from. As Judge said "We should immediately
our best intensions to work". And if those "best intentions" were
prompted by sayings or a philosophy we have ascribed to > the Mahatmas, the more important thing will always be, to do it
let results be with the karma.
> > Steve
> "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@> wrote:
> Hallo all,
> > My views are:
> > Let the following excerpt from a letter if possible help the
> > "On the other hand we claim to know more of the secret cause of
events than you men of the world do. I say then that it is the
vilification and abuse of the founders, the general misconception
the aims and objects of the Society that paralyses its progress --
nothing else. There's no want of definitiveness in these objects
they but properly explained. The members would have plenty to do
they to pursue reality with half the fervour they do mirage. I am
sorry to find you comparing Theosophy to a painted house on the
whereas in the hands of true philanthropists and theosophists it
become as strong as an impregnable fort. The situation is this: men
who join the Society with the one selfish object of reaching power
making occult science their only or even chief aim may as well not
join it -- they are doomed to disappointment as much as those who
commit the mistake of letting them believe that the Society is
else. It is just because they preach too much
> "the Brothers" and too little if at all Brotherhood that they
How many times had we to repeat, that he who joins the Society with
the sole object of coming in contact with us and if not of
at least of assuring himself of the reality of such powers and of
objective existence -- was pursuing a mirage? I say again then. It
he alone who has the love of humanity at heart, who is capable of
grasping thoroughly the idea of a regenerating practical
who is entitled to the possession of our secrets. He alone, such a
-- will never misuse his powers, as there will be no fear that he
should turn them to selfish ends. A man who places not the good of
mankind above his own good is not worthy of becoming our chela --
is not worthy of becoming higher in knowledge than his neighbour.
he craves for phenomena let him be satisfied with the pranks of
> (Received
Allahabad. About February, 1882. )
> > > Perhaps the objects of the Society or any branch of it needs to
changed or explained better?
> > > > from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
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