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To Krsanna: On Seeking Truth

Mar 15, 2006 06:43 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline



Dear Krsanna,


Thanks a lot.

1) Most of HPB's Esoteric Teachings, that is, her teachings to the Esoteric School, have been published already by Boris de Zirkoff in the volume XII of her "Collected Writings".

Before that, they had been published with some small changes in the Annie Besant's version of the "Secrec Doctrine", by 1897.

(For that, Besant broke her own personal vows of secrecy!!!)

Since then, Adyar ES uses much more CWL's, Annie Besant's and C. JInarajadasa's texts then texts by HPB -- its founder!

2) HPB's oral teachings to the very Inner Group of the Esoteric School have also been published, by "Point Loma Publications", San Dioego, CA, 1985. First edition, 1985, better than the second one. (Title: "The Inner Group Teachings".)

3) We are dealing with human beings. Perhaps the same persons who seem to doubt the authenticity of the Bowen Notes are among the brave souls who preserved HPB's main teachings up to our time. Perhaps they are right in doubting it. If not, we should take into consideration that while working under consistent currents of attack and slander, many people will develop psychological defense-mechanisms. One of such possible defense-mechanisms may be the strong feeling that "everything coming from Adyar is, in principle, FALSE". There are delicate magnetic issue related to this, too. Because "everything coming from Adyar has indeed something of Adyar's magnetism" -- as I believe.

These points are very brief --- I apologize for the telegraphic style...

But-- may the dialogue go on!

(My main point as to the Bowen Notes is that their content is consistent with HPB's teachings. The same as to the 1900 Letter -- but I only say that because I count on the generosity of those brave and loyal souls who may disagree from my view. I would never "fight" over this. Only -- sincere and honest diversity of views enriches the movement... and it exercises our mutual tolerance and modesty. We are all but students in their search, and helping each other with their views!)

Best regards, Carlos.





From: "krsanna" <timestar@timestar.org>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:13:12 -0000

It is unfortunate for modern students that HPB did not reveal
informatmion given to her Esoteric Section, on whom she relied to
guide the TS, to Theosophists at large.  Bowen was a member of the
Esoteric Section and was with HPB during the last weeks of her life.

How would Theosophists know what HPB was teaching the Esoteric
Section, since their literature was not made public?  Bowen
mentioned HPB's sense of urgency in teaching the Esoteric Section in
her last weeks, and a sense of urgency is conveyed in the
letter, "Why I Do Not Return To India."

After sending the letter to India to be distributed among
Indians, "for some reason," it was not distributed by Olcott and
other leaders of the Indian Section.  This is certainly a measure of
the opposition in India to Theosophy as HPB taught it.  Bowen, as a
member of the Esoteric Section with Blavatsky in the last weeks of
her life, was in a better position to know what she taught the
Esoteric Section that was not available to other Theosophists.

Carlos, who are these people that are willing to accept as fact the
whispers of a cabal who opposed HPB and deny the testimony of
trusted students who stayed with her in the Esoteric Section until
the end?  What was the motive of those in India that failed to
distribute her letter to Theosophists in India?

The "take-over" of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society in India was all
but complete one year before her death.  The persons present
throughout the dismissal of Blavatsky's importance to Theosophy were
Olcott and Besant.

Olcott is the overlooked figure that was continuously involved in
efforts to undermine HPB's authority, working as he did as a jolly
good fellow to keep the opposition against HPB off his own back.
Olcott worked to protect his own rear.  The success of his
socialable betrayal is seen today in the organizations he left
behind, which includes the American Section created after HPB's
death.

Best regards,
Krsanna


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Krsanna,
>
> I also have a general, unfortunately vague recollection that there
are
> dedicated HPB students who doubt not only the authenticity of the
Bowen
> Notes, but also the authenticity of her Diagram of Meditation.
>
> Yet this is not a big deal. Examining both texts we will see both
are
> consistent with H.P.B.'s  writings.
>
> The Bowen Notes but stress and underline some basic points she had
made in
> several places, the Three Fundamental Propositions above all.
>
> I would say the same as to the 1900 Letter, which is rather
similar to the
> so-called and fundamental  "Letter from the Maha-Chohan" (in fact
it is but
> a report on the Maha-Chohan's view of the TS).
>
> And the 1900 Letter also anticipates all the mistakes A. Besant
would do in
> the following 33 years: that why its main sentences were kept
hidden and
> censored by A. Besant, C. Jinarajadasa and their successors.
>
> I guess the tendency to reject there three documents may be
associated to a
> feeling that "everything which comes from Adyar is, in principle,
false".
> There are strong  reasons for such a feeling, of course, but
whenever
> possible things should be examined case-by-case and CONTENTS of
documents
> should be evaluated to see if they are consistent or not with the
> HPB/Masters teaching.
>
> I am not saying that the origin these documents  is authentic;  I
am saying
> that their content is consistent with their being possibly
authentic.  And
> the content, and the usefulness of things,  is often more
important than
> their outward  form or origin.
>
> Best regards,   Carlos.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:16:20 -0000
> >
> >Bart -- I'm surprised that you would settle for casting doubt but
> >not proving.  Let me know when you find something definitive.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 	Ah! I found what I was looking for. It was more casting
> >doubt than
> > > proving false, but here's an indirect ref:
> > >
> > > 	http://www.theos-talk.com/archives/200306/tt00137.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bart Lidofsky wrote:
> > >
> > > > 	You are right; I was hoping that somebody here might
know
> >more about
> > > > it. I will find out for sure tomorrow, however.
> > > >
> > > > 	Bart
> > > >
> > > > krsanna wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Bart -- Can you provide an authority for that citation.  "I
> >heard...
> > > >>[somewhere, sometimes]" doesn't do you justice.  I'm sure you
> >can
> > > >>come up with something better than that.
> > > >>
> > > >>Best regards,
> > > >>Krsanna
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@>
wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>krsanna wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Cass -- I posted the "Bowen Notes" taken from meetings with
> >HPB
> > > >>>>shortly before her death.  Best regards, Krsanna
> > > >>>
> > > >>>	I thought I heard something about the Bowen Notes
being
> > > >>
> > > >>fraudulent; I
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>will have to check up on this.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>	Bart
> > > >>>
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