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Mar 13, 2006 12:27 PM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline

Dear Jerry,

I hope you are not suggesting that secrecy equals lying.

This is an absolutely primary truth -- secrecy has nothing to do with frauds, or lying.

A few examples:

1) Jesus explained the esoteric meaning of his teachings to disciples only, not to the people at large. He was not lying. He was protecting truth from unprepared minds and hearts.

2) Pytahoras, the Masonry, Rosicrucian Societies, Esoteric Schools, the T.S. in its first years, every sage in the world always had to protect truth from unprepared minds. This has nothing to do with fraud, falsehood, etc.


Therefore when you say: " As I read it, Paul is basically saying that by concealing the truth, HPB
is, in one interpretation of the word, 'lying'. " ---- Paul's distortion of the facts gets all too evident.

A Master said in a Letter, and I will quote the idea, not the words: " Truth is like a too strong tonic, which can kill or cure". Therefore, the Master explained, it has to be given out gradually.

Transmitting truth gradually and preserving it from childish (proud, selfish) minds is not lying -- at all.

It is being wise and compassionate.


From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Paul Johnson about HPB: "I can show her lying"
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:10:47 -0800

Dear Vladimir,

Yes, I remember this post.  He does indeed use the word "lying."

Once again, quotes have to be read in context.  Earlier in the same
posting, Paul sets that context of your quote below by  quoting HPB's
own statement that she is not always truthful:

> Here's a quote from 1889 that should give some context on HPB's
> earlier stories about her travels and contacts: "to even my best
> friends I have never given but fragmentary and superficial accounts of
> my travels, nor do I propose to gratify anyone's curiosity, least of
> all that of my enemies." This does not imply lying but it certainly
> implies concealing the truth. As for the motivation being protecting
> the privacy of her Masters, here is a quote from a letter from Morya
> to Sinnett, pp. 271-2 of the MLs: "There is more to this movement than
> you have yet had an inkling of, and the work of the T.S. is linked
> with similar work that is secretly going on in all parts of the
> world...know you anything of the *whole* brotherhood and its
> ramifications? The Old Woman is accused of *untruthfulness,
> inaccuracy* in her statements. 'Ask no questions and you will receive
> *no lies*. *She is forbidden* to say what she knows. You may cut her
> to pieces, and she will not tell. Nay-- she is ordered *in cases of
> need to mislead people.* (* indicate italics in printed source.)
As I read it, Paul is basically saying that by concealing the truth, HPB
is, in one interpretation of the word, "lying."  Even as HPB warns
above: "ask no questions and you will receive no lies."

So when (as Paul documents elsewhere) HPB gives four contradictory
accounts of Morya, one can say she is concealing the truth, purposely
misleading the inquirer away from the truth of the matter, giving
disinformation, or you can say that she is lying.  Phrase it anyway you
like, but Paul is backing up his point by quoting HPB herself.


Vladimir wrote:

>Monday, March 13, 2006, 1:01:10 PM, Jerry wrote:
>>I replied that I did not recall Paul writing that HPB lied.
>Jerry,   let   me   refresh   your   memory.   If   you   look   here:
>  you  will  see
>these words of Paul's dated Feb 21, 2005 02:31 PM:
>Sorry, you ask too much out of context. I can show her lying, e.g. "In
>Milwaukee and Nevada all the ladies were all the time walking near our
>windows"  in  a letter to her aunt. HPB claimed she and Olcott went to
>those  places  with "Krishnavarma" but that simply is not true. But in
>the  book  what I show is that there are two conflicting stories about
>M.  and  K.H. being in North Indian and in Tibet, and when you examine
>the  evidence about her known and probable contacts in these places it
>becomes  clear  that a disinformation campaign is underway. I can also
>point  out  that  she lied, repeatedly, about Morya, simply by showing
>that she told four mutually incompatible stories about him.
>Best regards,
> Vladimir
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