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Re: Theos-World Paul Johnson about HPB: "I can show her lying"

Mar 13, 2006 12:11 PM
by Jerry Hejka-Ekins


Dear Vladimir,

Yes, I remember this post. He does indeed use the word "lying."
Once again, quotes have to be read in context. Earlier in the same posting, Paul sets that context of your quote below by quoting HPB's own statement that she is not always truthful:

Here's a quote from 1889 that should give some context on HPB's earlier stories about her travels and contacts: "to even my best friends I have never given but fragmentary and superficial accounts of my travels, nor do I propose to gratify anyone's curiosity, least of all that of my enemies." This does not imply lying but it certainly implies concealing the truth. As for the motivation being protecting the privacy of her Masters, here is a quote from a letter from Morya to Sinnett, pp. 271-2 of the MLs: "There is more to this movement than you have yet had an inkling of, and the work of the T.S. is linked with similar work that is secretly going on in all parts of the world...know you anything of the *whole* brotherhood and its ramifications? The Old Woman is accused of *untruthfulness, inaccuracy* in her statements. 'Ask no questions and you will receive *no lies*. *She is forbidden* to say what she knows. You may cut her to pieces, and she will not tell. Nay-- she is ordered *in cases of need to mislead people.* (* indicate italics in printed source.)

As I read it, Paul is basically saying that by concealing the truth, HPB is, in one interpretation of the word, "lying." Even as HPB warns above: "ask no questions and you will receive no lies."
So when (as Paul documents elsewhere) HPB gives four contradictory accounts of Morya, one can say she is concealing the truth, purposely misleading the inquirer away from the truth of the matter, giving disinformation, or you can say that she is lying. Phrase it anyway you like, but Paul is backing up his point by quoting HPB herself.
Best,
Jerry





Vladimir wrote:

Monday, March 13, 2006, 1:01:10 PM, Jerry wrote:


I replied that I did not recall Paul writing that HPB lied.

Jerry, let me refresh your memory. If you look here:
http://www.theos-talk.com/archives/200502/tt00632.html you will see
these words of Paul's dated Feb 21, 2005 02:31 PM:

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Sorry, you ask too much out of context. I can show her lying, e.g. "In
Milwaukee and Nevada all the ladies were all the time walking near our
windows" in a letter to her aunt. HPB claimed she and Olcott went to
those places with "Krishnavarma" but that simply is not true. But in
the book what I show is that there are two conflicting stories about
M. and K.H. being in North Indian and in Tibet, and when you examine
the evidence about her known and probable contacts in these places it
becomes clear that a disinformation campaign is underway. I can also
point out that she lied, repeatedly, about Morya, simply by showing
that she told four mutually incompatible stories about him.
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Best regards,
Vladimir




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