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Leon: Science questions

Mar 10, 2006 07:58 PM
by krsanna

It sounds as though you have an interest in science and theosophical 
questions.  In this regard, I thought you might be interested in 
looking close at the Mahatma letter below.  It is the one from Koot 
Hoomi posted earlier, and, in this posting, only paragraphs 
pertinent to science are incuded.  It is 93B in the chronological 
version and 23B in Barker's version of "The Mahatma Letters To A. P. 

I have done some reading on solar science extant in 1882, when the 
letter was written.  In that year, scientific wisdom suggested that 
the sun was a magnet to which the earth was associated in a magnetic 
relationship.  A relationship between sunspots and geomagnetic 
storms was recognized in 1882.  Much discussion revolved around 
whether this resulted from the sun acting as a magnetic to the 
earth.  Many theories would develop about these observations in the 
next 50 years, when corpuscular theories of charged particles were 
accepted in the 1930's.  

One thing that's interesting about KH's letter is that he seems to 
hint at leading-edge solar theories as they existed in 1882.  KH did 
not have an internet to make access to leading science of the day 
easy.  Why was KH sufficiently interested in science as to be 
familiar with emerging solar science that were far more difficult to 
obtain in 1882 than today?  Further, he it looks like he may have 
laid a few hints about science that would emerge in the next century.

Some of KH's comments about meteorites may come fairly close to 
recent theories of astrobiology.  Astrobiology is such a new science 
that no university offers a degree in it.  It is so complex that it 
requires highly inter-disciplinary study.  NASA created the first 
astrobiology research institute only in the last few years.  It is 
the only institute set up to study astrobiology that, to my 
knowledge, presently exists on the planet.

KH's comments about the earth being a conductor is very similar to 
Nikola Tesla's theory of the earth and atmosphere that served as a 
capacitor.  Tesla technology is now used in the HAARP projects that 
heat up the atmosphere with generators then focus the energy back to 
specific locations on the earth.  

I am reminded of Wilhelm Reich's research on orgone in KH's comments 
about making rain.  In the book John and discussed briefly, "Black 
Elk Speaks," the author describes watching rain gently begin to fall 
around Black Elk as he stood in prayer.  

Absolutely new research on how the earth's magnetic fields are 
generated may be most pertinent to KH's comments in this letter.  

Koot Hoomi did a pretty good job of shooting from the hip in this 
letter.  The matter of the earth's atmosphere expanding and 
contracting as it passes through various regions of space with 
different concentrations of meteorite dust is tantalizing.  

In any event, I would appreciate your comments on this.

Best regards,
Krsanna Duran


(8) [For Question see p. 305. EDS.]. Most assuredly they have. Rain 
can be brought on in a small area of space  artificially and 
without any claim to miracle or superhuman powers, though its secret 
is no property of mine that I should divulge it. I am now trying to 
obtain permission to do so. We know of no phenomenon in nature 
entirely unconnected with either magnetism or electricity  since, 
where there are motion, heat, friction, light, there magnetism and 
its alter ego (according to our humble opinion) electricity will 
always appear, as either cause or effect  or rather both if we but 
fathom the manifestation to its origin. All the phenomena of earth 
currents, terrestrial magnetism and atmospheric electricity are due 
to the fact that the earth is an electrified conductor, whose 
potential is ever changing owing to its rotation and its annual 
orbital motion, the successive cooling and heating of the air, the 
formation of clouds and rain, storms and winds, etc. This you may 
perhaps, find in some text book. But then Science would be unwilling 
to admit that all these changes are due to akasic magnetism 
incessantly generating electric currents which tend to restore the 
disturbed equilibrium. By directing the most powerful of electric 
batteries, the human frame electrified by a certain process, you can 
stop rain on some given point by making "a hole in the rain cloud," 
as the occultists term it. By using other strongly magnetized 
implements within, so to say, an insulated area, rain can be 
produced artificially. I regret my inability to explain to you the 
process more clearly. You know the effects produced by trees and 
plants on rain clouds; and how their strong magnetic nature attracts 
and even feeds those clouds over the tops of the trees. Science 
explains it otherwise, maybe. Well, I cannot help it, for such is 
our knowledge and fruits of milleniums of observations and 
experience. Were the present to fall into the hands of Hume, he 
would be sure to remark that I am vindicating the charge publicly 
brought by him against us: "Whenever unable to answer your arguments 
(?) they (we) calmly reply that their (our) rules do not admit of 
this or that." Charge notwithstanding, I am compelled to answer that 
since the secret is not mine I cannot make of it a marketable 
commodity. Let some physicists calculate the amount of heat required 
to vaporize a certain quantity of water. Then let them compute the 
quantity of rain needed to cover an area  say, of one square mile 
to a depth of one inch. For this amount of vaporization they will 
require, of course, an amount of heat that would be equal to at 
least five million 4 tons of coal. Now the amount of energy of which 
this consumption of heat would be the equivalent corresponds (as any 
mathematician could tell you)  to that which would be required to 
raise a weight of upwards of ten million tons, one mile high. How 
can one man generate such amount of heat and energy? Preposterous, 
absurd!  we are all lunatics, and you who listen to us will be 
placed in the same category if you ever venture to repeat this 
proposition. Yet I say that one man alone can do it, and very easily 
if he is but acquainted with a certain "physico-spiritual"  lever in 
himself, far more powerful than that of Archimedes. Even simple 
muscular contraction is always accompanied with electric and 
magnetic phenomena, and there is the strongest connection between 
the magnetism of the earth, the changes of weather and man, who is 
the best barometer living, if he but knew [how] to decipher it 
properly; again, the state of the sky can always be ascertained by 
the variations shown by magnetic instruments.  It is now several 
years since I had an opportunity of reading the deductions of 
Science upon this subject; therefore, unless I go to the trouble of 
catching up what I may have remained ignorant of, I do not know the 
latest conclusions of Science. But with us, it is an established 
fact that it is the earth's magnetism that produces wind, storms, 
and rain. What science seems to know of it is but secondary symptoms 
always induced by that magnetism and she may very soon find out her 
present errors. Earth's magnetic attraction of meteoric dust, and 
the direct influence of the latter upon the sudden changes of 
temperature, especially in the matter of heat and cold, is not a 
settled question to the present day, I believe.5 It was doubted 
whether the fact of our earth passing through a region of space in 
which there are more or less of meteoric masses has any bearing upon 
the height of our atmosphere being increased or decreased, or even 
upon the state of weather. But we think we could easily prove it; 
and since they accept the fact that the relative distribution and 
proportion of land and water on our globe may be due to the great 
accumulation upon it of meteoric dust, snow  especially in our 
northern regions  being full of meteoric iron and magnetic 
particles; and deposits of the latter being found even at the bottom 
of seas and oceans, I wonder how Science has not hitherto understood 
that every atmospheric change and disturbance was due to the 
combined magnetism of the two great masses between which our 
atmosphere is compressed! I call this meteoric dust a "mass" for it 
is really one. High above our earth's surface the air is impregnated 
and space filled with magnetic, or meteoric dust, which does not 
even belong to our solar system. Science having luckily discovered 
that, as our earth with all the other planets is carried along 
through space, it receives a greater proportion of that dust matter 
on its northern than on its southern hemisphere, knows that to this 
are due the preponderating number of the continents in the former 
hemisphere, and the greater abundance of snow and moisture. Millions 
of such meteors and even of the finest particles reach us yearly and 
daily, and all our temple knives are made of this "heavenly" iron, 
which reaches us without having undergone any change  the magnetism 
of the earth keeping them in cohesion. Gaseous matter is continually 
added to our atmosphere from the never ceasing fall of meteoric 
strongly magnetic matter, and yet it seems with them still an open 
question whether magnetic conditions have anything to do with the 
precipitation of rain or not! I do not know of any "set of motions 
established by pressures, expansions, etc., due in the first 
instance to solar energy." Science makes too much and too little at 
the same time of "solar energy" and even of the Sun itself; and the 
Sun has nothing to do whatever with rain and very little with heat. 
I was under the impression that science was aware that the glacial 
periods as well as those periods when temperature is "like that of 
the carboniferous age," are due to the decrease and increase or 
rather to the expansion of our atmosphere, which expansion is itself 
due to the same meteoric presence? At any rate, we all know, that 
the heat that the earth receives by radiation from the sun is at the 
utmost one third if not less of the amount received by her directly 
from the meteors.

(9) [For Question see p. 305. EDS.]. Call it a chromosphere or 
atmosphere, it can be called neither; for it is simply the magnetic 
and ever present aura of the sun, seen by astronomers only for a 
brief few moments during the eclipse, and by some of our chelas 
whenever they like  of course while in a certain induced state. A 
counterpart of what the astronomers call the red flames in 
the "corona" may be seen in Reichenbach's crystals or in any other 
strongly magnetic body. The head of a man in a strong ecstatic 
condition, when all the electricity of his system is centered around 
the brain, will represent  especially in darkness  a perfect 
simile of the Sun during such periods. The first artist who drew the 
aureoles about the heads of his God and Saints was not inspired, but 
represented it on the authority of temple pictures and traditions of 
the sanctuary and the chambers of initiation where such phenomena 
took place. The closer to the head or to the aura-emitting body, the 
stronger and the more effulgent the emanation (due to hydrogen, 
science tells us, in the case of the flames); hence the irregular 
red flames around the Sun or the "inner corona." The fact that these 
are not always present in equal quantity shows only the constant 
fluctuation of the magnetic matter and its energy, upon which also 
depend the variety and number of spots. During periods of magnetic 
inertia the spots disappear, or rather remain invisible. The further 
the emanation shoots out the more it loses in intensity, until 
gradually subsiding it fades out; hence the "outer corona," its 
rayed shape being due entirely to the latter phenomenon whose 
effulgence proceeds from the magnetic nature of the matter and the 
electric energy and not at all from intensely hot particles, as 
asserted by some astronomers. All this is terribly unscientific, 
nevertheless a fact, to which I may add another by reminding you 
that the Sun we see is not at all the central planet of our little 
Universe, but only its veil or its reflection. Science has 
tremendous odds against studying that planet which luckily for us we 
have not; foremost of all  the constant tremors of our atmosphere 
which prevent them from judging correctly the little they do see. 
This impediment was never in the way of the ancient Chaldee and 
Egyptian astronomers; nor is it an obstacle to us, for we have means 
of arresting, or counteracting such tremors  acquainted as we are 
with all the akasic conditions. No more than the rain secret would 
this secret  supposing we do divulge it  be of any practical use 
to your men of Science unless they become Occultists and sacrifice 
long years to the acquirement of powers. Only fancy a Huxley or a 
Tyndall studying Yog-vidya! Hence the many mistakes into which they 
fall and the conflicting hypotheses of your best authorities. For 
instance; the Sun is full of iron vapours  a fact that was 
demonstrated by the spectroscope, showing that the light of the 
corona consisted largely of a line in the green part of the 
spectrum, very nearly coinciding with an iron line. Yet Professors 
Young and Lockyer rejected that, under the witty pretext, if I 
remember, that if the corona were composed of minute particles like 
a dust cloud (and it is this that we call "magnetic matter") these 
particles would (1) fall upon the sun's body, (2) comets were known 
to pass through this vapour without any visible effect on them, (3) 
Professor Young's spectroscope showed that the coronal line was not 
identical with the iron one, etc. Why they should call those 
objections "scientific" is more than we can tell.

(1) The reason why the particles  since they call them so  do not 
fall upon the sun's body is self-evident. There are forces co-
existent with gravitation of which they know nothing, besides that 
other fact that there is no gravitation properly speaking, only 
attraction and repulsion. (2) How could comets be affected by the 
said passage since their "passing through" is simply an optical 
illusion; they could not pass within the area of attraction without 
being immediately annihilated by that force of which no vril can 
give an adequate idea, since there can be nothing on earth that 
could be compared with it. Passing as the comets do through 
a "reflection" no wonder that the said vapour has "no visible effect 
on these light bodies." (3) The coronal line may not seem identical 
through the best "grating spectroscope," nevertheless, the corona 
contains iron as well as other vapours. To tell you of what it does 
consist is idle, since I am unable to translate the words we use for 
it, and that no such matter exists (not in our planetary system, at 
any rate)  but in the sun. The fact is, that what you call the Sun 
is simply the reflection of the huge "storehouse" of our System 
wherein ALL its forces are generated and preserved; the Sun being 
the heart and brain of our pigmy Universe, we might compare its 
faculae  those millions of small, intensely brilliant bodies of 
which the Sun's surface away from the spots is made up  with the 
blood corpuscles of that luminary, though some of them as correctly 
conjectured by Science are as large as Europe. Those blood 
corpuscles are the electric and magnetic matter in its sixth and 
seventh state. What are those long white filaments twisted like so 
many ropes, of which the penumbra of the Sun is made up? What the 
central part that is seen like a huge flame ending in fiery spires, 
and the transparent clouds, or rather vapours formed of delicate 
threads of silvery light, that hangs over those flames  what  but 
magneto-electric aura  the phlogiston of the Sun? Science may go on 
speculating for ever, yet so long as she does not renounce two or 
three of her cardinal errors she will find herself groping for ever 
in the dark. Some of her greatest misconceptions are found in her 
limited notions on the law of gravitation; her denial that matter 
may be imponderable; her newly invented term "force" and the absurd 
and tacitly accepted idea that force is capable of existing per se, 
or of acting any more than life, outside, independent of, or in any 
other wise than through matter; in other words that force is 
anything but matter in one of her highest states, the last three on 
the ascending scale being denied because only science knows nothing 
of them; and her utter ignorance of the universal Proteus, its 
functions and importance in the economy of nature  magnetism and 
electricity. Tell Science that even in those days of the decline of 
the Roman Empire, when the tattooed Britisher used to offer to the 
Emperor Claudius his nazzur 6 of "electron" in the shape of a string 
of amber beads  that even then there were yet men remaining aloof 
from the immoral masses, who knew more of electricity and magnetism 
than they, the men of science, do now,  and science will laugh at 
you as bitterly as she now does over your kind dedication to me. 
Verily, when your astronomers, speaking of sun-matter, term those 
lights and flames "clouds of vapour" and "gases unknown to science" 
(rather!) chased by mighty whirlwinds and cyclones  whereas we know 
it to be simply magnetic matter in its usual state of activity  we 
feel inclined to smile at the expressions. Can one imagine 
the "Sun's fires fed with purely mineral matter"  with meteorites 
highly charged with hydrogen giving the "Sun a far-reaching 
atmosphere of ignited gas"? We know that the invisible sun is 
composed of that which has neither name, nor can it be compared to 
anything known by your science  on earth; and that its "reflection" 
contains still less of anything like "gases," mineral matter, or 
fire, though even we when treating of it in your civilized tongue 
are compelled to use such expressions as "vapour" and "magnetic 
matter." To close the subject, the coronal changes have no effect 
upon the earth's climate, though spots have  and Professor N. 
Lockyer is mostly wrong in his deductions. The Sun is neither a 
solid nor a liquid, nor yet a gaseous globe; but a gigantic ball of 
electromagnetic Forces, the store-house of universal life and 
motion, from which the latter pulsate in all directions, feeding the 
smallest atom as the greatest genius with the same material unto the 
end of the Maha Yug.

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