RE: Some Help to Krsanna?
Mar 10, 2006 10:59 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
I wonder whether Paul Johnson will ever have the intelectual courage, or
necessary to clarify his position. Perhaps not even to himself. More
difficult to do so in
I would challenge him to say, for instance, that in his view HPB was NOT a
woman and did NOT forge phenomena.
I have been trying to have him clarifying his position and did not succeed,
except by reading for his
texts, where he adopts the "maybe policy" in order to libel HPB without
at it in a flagrant way.
So he says HPB "may have lied", "may have been a charlatan" (in a 1987
text), etc. Is this a theosophist? Is this an honest intellectual? Is this
an authentic researcher?
I would be surprised if he came here and said he considers HPB an honest
who did not lie, did not not make forgeries, and did not offer herself to be
a Russian Spy.
If this is what Chuck the Heretic calls an honest "intelectual", well,
Chuck, we agree to disagree, and I respect what I see as your well-meaning
Paul's "maybe policy", his half-slandering strategy, is extremely
comfortable to the Leadbeaterian, Anti-HPB trend in the Adyar TS.
Pseudo-theosophists have adopted the same tactics since the "Case Against
Judge" in the 1890s.
Thus they slander by planting unfounded suspicions and, once they are
caught in the act, they immediately adopt the role of victims, and those
who defend the truth are immediately
accused of being intolerant, etc.
(Look at what TSA is doing against Narada TS.)
I hope that helps.
Best regards, Carlos.
From: "krsanna" <email@example.com>
Subject: Theos-World Paul Johnson -- Please help!
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:57:17 -0000
Before you decide to leave the list, could you help out with some
questions. Please? Most of what I have seen in your posts is
defense that denies allegations made against you.
Please tell me a little about what you do think, believe and feel
before leaving. In other words, be a little more proactive in
stating your position. This is for my benefit, so I never have to
look back and wonder what Paul Johnson really thought. I'm sure you
have stated your position in other contexts, i.e., your book.
However, would you be kind enough to elaborate a little?
We don't have a significant religious event to commemorate with a
cease fire -- Christmas and Ramadan are not approaching.
Nonetheless, we could call a cease fire for 24 hours with no attacks
while we listen to what you have to say.
We can think of this as the Ides of March Cease Fire. The St.
Patty's Day Cease Fire in honor of the fighting Irish might be good
too. Demilitarizing a zone for 24 hours never hurt anybody.
FIRST QUESTION: You say below that you admire HPB and her books
very much. Will you elaborte on what it is that you admire about
Thanks, Krsanna Duran
"I admire HPB and her books very much, and for close to 20 years
freely shared my views of her and researches on her with fellow
Theosophists with no problems. No one ever suggested to me that I
was not a Theosophist. In his introduction to The Masters Revealed,
Joscelyn Godwin wrote: "Mr. Johnson's work occupies the middle
ground. He obviously has a great respect and admiration for HPB,
but he has no illusions as to the mischievous and even dark sides of
her personality. He observes the convention without which
scholarship would be impossible, namely that of not imposing one's
own religious beliefs on the matter to be studied. But he evidently
believes that HPB and her Masters achieved something of tremendous
importance for the human race." That is just as true today as when
he wrote it in 1994. It is clearly however not good enough to
satisfy Theosophical inquisitors. How many furiously antagonistic
attacks does it take before one fears to express his views?"
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@...>
> Dear Anand,
> As I have just learned, when I leave the list because of the
> degradation of atmosphere I won't be the first to do so. You
> > Hello Paul,
> > It appears that some people don't like your work 'Masters
> > They are trying to make you go out of talk-lists. Unfortunately
> > seem to be surrendering by leaving this theos-talk.
> To stay and fight would also be a kind of surrender; surrender to
> untheosophical atmosphere on an alleged theosophical list. To
> not fight would be surrendering to abuse. I don't see a good
> alternative here.
> And even if you
> > leave the list, they will try to demean you and your book. So I
> > suggest you to stay.
> > Suppose you don't accept Blavatsky, why do you fear to say so
> openly ?
> I admire HPB and her books very much, and for close to 20 years
> shared my views of her and researches on her with fellow
> with no problems. No one ever suggested to me that I was not a
> Theosophist. In his introduction to The Masters Revealed, Joscelyn
> Godwin wrote: "Mr. Johnson's work occupies the middle ground. He
> obviously has a great respect and admiration for HPB, but he has
> illusions as to the mischievous and even dark sides of her
> personality. He observes the convention without which scholarship
> would be impossible, namely that of not imposing one's own
> beliefs on the matter to be studied. But he evidently believes
> HPB and her Masters achieved something of tremendous importance
> human race." That is just as true today as when he wrote it in
> It is clearly however not good enough to satisfy Theosophical
> inquisitors. How many furiously antagonistic attacks does it take
> before one fears to express his views?
> > It is not necessary that you should accept Blavatsky or anybody
> > TS gives complete freedom to all.
> > After coming in contact, I soon realized that Blavatsyans have
> > problematic mental structure which was result of perhaps study
> > Blavatky's writing.
> > AG
> As Erica has just shown, there are abundant quotes from HPB that
> shame all the hatefulness her supposed followers have expressed
> those who don't share their beliefs. I would suggest that rather
> HPB's writings per se, there is something problematic about the
> association between esotericism and elitism. "We know spiritual
> secrets, and we're superior to those who don't" is bad enough when
> a sentiment shared within a private club like the ES. When it
> a *public* stance of contemptuous dismissal of everything outside
> narrow range of Theosophical orthodoxy, it becomes a total
> everything HPB stood for. As someone just wrote me in private
> what theos-talk has become represents HPB's worst nightmare.
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