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Re: Theos-World Ramana Marharshi & The Universe

Mar 08, 2006 12:33 PM
by Iain


Kristar wrote , that the Sage of Arunachala.
"the only thinks he preached were through silence"
Is this Portugese Silence or English Silence? and, What is the Diference!?
cheers Iain
----- Original Message ----- From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Theos-World Ramana Marharshi & The Universe



Krishtar,

Sri Ramana Maharshi wrote.
And he taught to his disciples.
There are many books with his oral teachings both in English and in
Portuguese.
I will bring here a small bibliography about him -- tomorrow, since I am
not at home now.
Ramana Maharshi's teachings have many points in common with HPB's Theosophy
--- as I
see it.
And his disciple Paul Brunton wrote some important books, too, with no
need to use the label "theosophical". Things go beyond names, of course.
There is a lot of untheosotphical things under theosophical names, and most
theosophical books don't use this "label". For instance, the neostoic
philosopher Epictetus
can be considered a "theosophist" in the real sense of the word. And many,
many others...

Carlos.


From: krishtar <krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:30:16 -0300

Carlos wrote, among other things:
"For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century."

Hi, amigo

Who are you talking about: Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi, the Sage of
Arunachala?
What is the source of that information?
The only things he preached were through silence, and just for
illustrating,
according to a book from A.Orborne he was once asked by a seeker if
theosophy was something good, all he said was a "yes".
If you have any further information to offer me on this particular, I thank
in advance.
By the way...
Its very curious that Ramana had his first enlightenment ( that
near-death-like experience) just at the same time lapse HPB had passed
away.
He was never the same person anymore.
I once read that CWL stated that HPB would be reborn under a hindu young
boy...
Maybe he was half-right in certain aspects...

Krishtar

----- Original Message -----
From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe




Dear Cass,

Yet the Advaita system teachs the seven principles/ levels of consciousness
pretty much as HPB did (not a coincidence), while Krishnamurti never
understood, much less taught the seven principles.

For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century.

Seven principles are essential, as by understanding them you have the key
of the correlation between the micro (a human individual) and the macro
(solar system and the universe).

Krishnamurti was rather shallow with his doctrine according to which the
"I"
is bad.

The importance of the correlation man/universe explains why studying the
"Secret Doctrine".
It is a form of Jnana Yoga.

We are a summary of the universe, and the cosmos is an amplified picture of
each one of us.

A mirror of one's soul.


Best regards, Carlos.







>From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurtian Dogma?
>Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>I tend to agree with Morten, in that Krishnamurti's latter teachings >were
>the recycling of the Advaita system. However, I believe, in the early
days
>he did contribute towards humanity in exposing the emotional baggage >that
>we carry with us, and how important it is to recognize this, without
>judgement, in order to see ourselves as we are. I certainly got much >out
>of the First and Last Freedom.
>
>Cass
>
>carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Cass,
>
>I know next to nothing about Gurdgieff.
>
>But a long standing leader of the Adyar Society gave me an image to
define
>Krishnamurti with few words: he is like the typical Indian Swami, who
goes
>about hammering one sole point, surrounded by his own unconditional
>supporters and worshippers. The main role of these followers is to
>endlessly repeat the Swami's words, while they try to hipnotize
themselves
>and others with these same unchanging words/ideas.
>
>
>Best regards.
>
>
> >From: Cass Silva
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:27:19 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Perhaps rather than creating his own dogma, it was created around him.
> >Same thing with Gurdgieff???
> >Cass
> >
> >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> >
> >Cass,
> >
> >Yet he created his own Krishhamurtian dogma.
> >Krishnamurtians usually don't read authors other than him.
> >They are usually not open to debate -- at least some of them.
> >Not all, of course.
> >
> >Best -- carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Cass Silva
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Esoteric School
> > >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >It appears that Krishnamurti denied the necessity for a dogmatised
> >"school
> > >of thought" around his system.
> > >Cass
> > >
> > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> > >Damian,]
> > >
> > >
> > >I guess Gregory has given a thorough answer to the question.
> > >
> > >Comparatively, in the Adyar Society the Esoteric School continued,
yet
> >the
> > >fancies about outer contacts with the Masters were quietly dropped
rom
> > >1953,
> > >except for Geoffrey Hodson in Australia, a rather national
phenomenon,
> >or
> > >at
> > >least a phenomenon with poor international dimension.
> > >
> > >J. Krishnamurti, very influential with regard to Radha Burnier,
wanted
> >the
> > >E. S. Adyar to
> > >be closed (there is at least one public source for that, Mary
Lutyens).
> > >Yet
> > >he did
> > >not have that.
> > >
> > >
> > >Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > > >From: D P
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Pasadena Esoteric School
> > > >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:43:57 +0100 (CET)
> > > >
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