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Caldwell's and Algeo's Agenda

Mar 05, 2006 07:58 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline

Dear Leonardo,


Yes. I will not give you the names -- but I can confirm that experienced, life-long theosophists from different groups and institutions, including the Adyar Society, have had no confidence whatsoever in Daniel Caldwell and his websites for a considerable time now.

This kept on for several years before Paul Johnson came out with his evidences in Theos-talk by 12 February 2006.

The information that Daniel has invented "David Green" and other false persons has been circulating for quite some time, and now that it has been made public, Daniel has a chance to explain himself.

As to Ms. Radha Burnier, you can infer her position by the fact that she is the responsible for an Esoteric School, and Daniel Caldwell has been publishing in his websites every Esoteric School text he can with no criteria or respect of inner circles of any kind. You certainly have a powerful shortcircuit there.

Besides, Ms. Radha Burnier has never, to my knowledge, promoted or supported any attacks to H.P.B. -- something for which she has my respect.

That means Daniel does not act for her sake. But Daniel's actions fit in well with Mr. John Algeo's agenda in the USA.

There are, let's say, more than one difference between the Adyar TS in India and the Adyar TS in the USA.

We are dealing with two distinct varieties of pseudo-theosophy, one of which promotes direct though disguised attacks to H.P.B. and the Masters.

Ms. Radha clearly dissociated herself from the libels against HPB which are being promoted by John Algeo and Daniel Caldwell.

I hope that helps.

Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline.

Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Impersonal Suspicions on Daniel
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:37:31 EST


And, who are you to judge whether anyone is an "experienced" theosophist or

Or, is that just another "personal" opinion of yours?

And, if you accept someone else's opinion, isn't that a personal choice of
yours, too?

And, doesn't that make you personally opinionated?

In any event, where's the proof of the "theory" that you've accepted as true
enough to justify your crucifying another (possibly "experienced" theosophist)
on the "guilty until proven innocent" line you've personally chosen as part
of your apparent personal vendetta -- that could very well be your joining in
with the vendetta of other opponents of Daniel whom you label as "experienced
theosophists" to justify your own personal opinion?

So. Who are you kidding? What's so impersonal about all that? How can
your "suspicion" not be personal? I don't see anyone else posting their
suspicions about other persons and naming names in the subject line. (Except for some
that name dead theosophists like HPB, AB and CWL, etc.) Although it could
be possible that Daniel's silence may be due to your hounding him to death...
Which, of course, would then put you in the same category of all those other
personal beaters of dead horses. </:-)>


In a message dated 3/4/06 9:59:42 AM, writes:

> Leonardo,
> Suspicions about Daniel are not personal.
> They have been circulating for some years among experienced theosophists and
>   none of them, as long as I know, doubted the theory according to which 
> Daniel  has been inventing false persons for his own reasons and motives,
> especially  to help himself attack some theosophical blanks.
> Now he has the opportunity  to  answer to such a general evaluation about
> him.
> Regards,  Carlos.
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Impersonal Suspicions on Daniel
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:26:51 EST
>Your letter is just some more nonsensical excuses about your endless gossip
>that has noting to do with theosophy. Nor does it answer the more important
>questions raised by my letter.
>You are the one who is doing it, and you are personally responsible for
>continuing public accusations criminalizing another person's rights --
>whether they be for anonymity, actions or opinions you don't like, or
>silence in the
>face of your groundless gossip... All of it based on hearsay and other non
>evidence, that you, personally, intend everyone to overhear.
>If this endless and repetitive barrage accusing other people by innuendo
>insinuation isn't personal, then what is?
>All of what you write against others with such an obvious personal pique,
>indicates that (besides being plain gossip which HPB abhorred) you put
>personality before brotherhood -- which is as far from theosophical as
>anyone can get.
>So, give it up, brother... You are merely adding food to the fire that
>you out as a troll, and a busybody, as well as a disrupter of this
>theosophical forum...
>Besides just becoming tiresome beyond belief, we might all wonder for what
>personal purpose this emotionally tinged "stoking" is being done?
>In a message dated 3/1/06 11:52:45 AM, writes:
> >
> > Leonardo,
> >
> > I only now see your posting below.
> >
> > I have the time to tell you one thing.
> >
> > Suspicions about Daniel are not personal.
> >
> > They have been circulating for some years among experienced theosophists
> > none of them, as long as I know, doubted the theory according to which
> > Daniel
> > has been inventing false persons for his own reasons and motives,
> > to help himself attack some theosophical blanks.  Now he has the
> > to 
> > answer to such a general evaluation about him.
> >
> > Regards,  Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From:
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Did Daniel Committ Fraud?
> > >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:27:13 EST
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 2/25/06 10:27:48 AM,
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I am getting really curious about all of this.
> > > >
> > > > A lawsuit against Paul?  It might be most unlikely.
> > > >
> > > > Why not such a sub-threat as a way to try to bully people
> > psychologically?
> > > >
> > > > You can bully some people all the time, you can bully all people for
> > > > some time, but you cannot bully all people all the time.
> > > >
> > > > And I am still waiting for Danniel's clarifications. Maybe he is
> > > > innocent?
> > > >
> > > > Really curious as Ethics is of the essence for us.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,  Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >So you say...
> > >
> > >And, how ethical is your continued hounding of Caldwell through not so
> > >subtle accusative implications of his guilt by means of subtly sly
> > >innuendo's (not to mention your repetitive subject lines with his name
> > >constantly being impugned) whenever you see an opportunity? 
> > >  He may be innocent as you say,and undeserving of such treatment...
> > >But in such a case, you certainly would not be in the eyes of any
> > perceptive
> > >theosophist on this list.
> > >
> > >What you are doing by such widespread and repetitive public disclosure
>of a
> > >personal suspicion so as to influence the thoughts of others -- you
> > >"friends" (but whom are not necessarily so) -- appears to this observer
> > >be highly unethical, from both a legal and a theosophical point of

> > >
> > >In addition, passing the libel and slander buck back to Paul, as well
> > >adding further implications that Caldwell is a bully as well as a
> > doesn't
> > >appear to be so ethical either... Especially, when you are safe behind
> > >foreign border.
> > >
> > >In addition, your flooding of this list with your repetitive side
> > has
> > >almost completely shoved the discussion of theosophy into the mud and
> > >covered it over with slime in the form of gossip -- that would, in my
> >
> > >make HPB disown you as her chela (if you ever were or could be one:)
> > >
> > >So far, all you seem to be doing is dominating this theosophical forum
> > >spreading tension, apprehension, and dissension among its members.  
> > >to mention wasting my time reading and responding to your overly
> > >and boring letters whenever they go beyond the boundaries of
> > >useful or interesting information.)   Stating your opinions about long
> >
> > >teachers or members of this forum once -- is enough.
> > >
> > >Leonardo
> >
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