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Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?

Mar 04, 2006 03:55 AM
by M. Sufilight

Hallo all,

My views are:

Sorry to interrupt a bit.
I hold the following view to be considered and be given credit, for the truth it contains.

'Sir Thomas,' an English Master said:
"Also instead of giving forth the new Teaching so badly needed, he [Krishnamurti] escaped from the responsibilities of his office as prophet and teacher by reverting to a past incarnation, and an ancient philosophy of his own race [Advaita Vedantism] with which you are familiar, but which is useless for the Western World in the present cycle. But those to whom he speaks think they are receiving a new message, and as such it carries undue weight. The message he should have delivered, he has failed to deliver--or only partly delivered. Nothing about Art--no plans for the new sub-race--educational schemes dropped--and in place of all this: Advaita, a philosophy for chelas, and one of the most easily misunderstood paths to liberation... He who attempts to teach Advaita, and omits all Sanscrit terms, courts failure. Sanscrit words engender an occult vibration which is lost when translated. Western words not suitable to describe subjective states of consciousness, because their associations are mainly mundane... Another flaw in this pseudo-Advaita which Krishnamurti is giving out, is that he addresses the personality, the physical plane man [personal self], as if he were the Monad [divine self] or at least the Ego [higher self]. Of course the Monad, the Divine Spark, is the Absolute Existence-Knowledge-Bliss, and hence eternally free, but that doesn't mean that the personality down here, immersed in endless-seeming Karmic difficulties, can share its consciousness, or even that of the Ego--the link between the personality and the Monad."
'Sir Thomas,' an English Master, in: His Pupil [Cyril Scott], The Initiate in the Dark Cycle (London: Routledge, 1932), pp. 136-139.

When all those, who are Krishnamurti fanatics realise, that his teachings are nothing else but Pseudo-Adwaita teachings, they
will see the picture more clear. Blavatsky would certainly not have accepted that kind of teaching, without it being related to the Masters and the three/four objects of The Theosophical Society.
These are just my views.

Try to compare Krishnamurti with The Adwaita Vedanta Home Page

M. Sufilight with peace and love..

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cass Silva" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?

Perhaps rather than creating his own dogma, it was created around him. Same thing with Gurdgieff???

carlosaveline cardoso aveline <> wrote:


Yet he created his own Krishhamurtian dogma.
Krishnamurtians usually don't read authors other than him.
They are usually not open to debate -- at least some of them.
Not all, of course.

Best -- carlos.

From: Cass Silva
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Esoteric School
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0800 (PST)

It appears that Krishnamurti denied the necessity for a dogmatised "school
of thought" around his system.

carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:

I guess Gregory has given a thorough answer to the question.

Comparatively, in the Adyar Society the Esoteric School continued, yet the
fancies about outer contacts with the Masters were quietly dropped rom
except for Geoffrey Hodson in Australia, a rather national phenomenon, or
least a phenomenon with poor international dimension.

J. Krishnamurti, very influential with regard to Radha Burnier, wanted the
E. S. Adyar to
be closed (there is at least one public source for that, Mary Lutyens).
he did
not have that.

Best regards, Carlos.

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>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:43:57 +0100 (CET)
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