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Re: Theos-World A MAP: Sinnett, "Mary" and CWL's Fancies

Mar 01, 2006 02:34 PM
by krishtar

Caro Aveline,

Thanks for the reply, very helping!
It would be very desirable if you could enlarge this statement in order to clarify a bit more and set a deeper basis:? => "AP Sinnett described
this process quite honestly, and he truly believed in such mediumnistitc
pseudo-contacts." Is it based in his own bio? In this booklet he writes in a very simple and humble way about the need he had to have a second source on the masters...
So CWL jumped in his bandwagon....


----- Original Message ----- From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Theos-World A MAP: Sinnett, "Mary" and CWL's Fancies


Sinnett, "Mary" and CWL's Fancies



Dear Krishtar,

You are absolutetly right.

It all began with the medium "Mary" in Mr. Sinnett's "inner circle".

Soon CW Leadbeater joined as co-medium.

In 1894, Mrs. Annie Besant joined, too, and she was the "outer head" of the
Esoteric School, Adyar.

Few people were humble and realistic enough to admit that outer, verbal
contacts with Masters had ceased when HPB went away.

The period of wild fancies began to end in the 1940s and 1950s, yet the old
created by AB and CWL and having all such fancies as its origin, still goes
on losing strength little by little.

Ms. Radha's policy, for instance, is not to promote these fancies.

She privately admits they are but fancies.

Yet she avoids this being put clearly on the table. Joy Mill's position iis
rather similar, perhaps a little bit more outspoken as to CWL being as fraud
(but privately only)

Pedro Oliveira and other Liberal Catholic Church people, on the other hand,
actively defend CWL.

John Algeo and Daniel Caldwell go further and actively attack HPB, even if
in a disguised form. Their goal seems to be to avoid HPB being
"rediscovered" by Adyar members. Daniel may work on this using diferent
"names", if Paul Johnson's documented texts on his pseudo-persons are

We are beginning to look and see beyond all those fancies and political
games by now.

Fancies started with Sinnett, indeed, and Leadbeater learned from him on
how to forge, or how to fancy, contacts with the Masters. Sinnett described
this process quite honestly, and he truly believed in such mediumnistitc

Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline

From: krishtar <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World On Scott-Elliot - quem vive da mente, mente.
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:16:50 -0300

Hi  Friends and Carlos:

Let me so better understand :
Was that same  " Mary"  that used to claim to be a channel, an intermedium
between the master M and AP Sinnett during the period of time in which
Sinnett was trying to be in contact with the mahatmas independently of
In his Bio he also wrote that the master said, in a séance,  that he should
not tell HPB about the  <<supposed>>> contact because HPB could be jeallous
So, if it´s true, didn´t the master say that he was not in contact with
Mary and that the only channel was HPB? I can´t remember if this occasion
was indeed about this  woman in special.
So I gess that AP Sinnett was responsible by the  distortions and
mistifications brought by CWL that fed the Adyar´s attraction for psychic
contacts and experiments.
So it was not CWL that, besides AB, started the investigations in the
field, but mediums of the class of a  certain Mary who were used as
If it is so, I can now understand why today´s spiritist books, mainly in
Brasil,  get so similar
to those explanations given in books from Leadbeater and Annie Besant.
In portuguese I could  quote " quem vive da mente, mente!", which means
approximately " the one who lives relying in his mind, lies".
Mind is aways playing tricks on us.


----- Original Message -----
From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Theos-World On Scott-Elliot

Dear Theo,

You will find something, at least,  in "Theosophical History".

His wife was "Mary", the medium who purported to talk to Masters in séances
in the "inner group" organized by A. P. Sinnett.

It was there that C. W. Leadbeater started to "talk to the Masters".  The
magazine "Theosophical History" published the revealing "Autobiography" of
Mr. Alfred Sinnett, in which he frankly tells all about it.  Scott-Eliot
also a member of such a mediumnistic group.

When Sinnett died, Leadbeater wrote that in the 1890s his "inner group"
important "occult investigations", and so on.  Sinnett also says that Annie
Besant joined that
mediumnistic group after HPB's death, that is, while AB was already the
"Outer Head" of the Esoteric School, Adyar.

So it seems that the occult fancies started precisely in Sinnett's inner
group with "Mary", a pseudonymn for Scott-Elliot's wife.

I hope that helps, even if marginally.  If you want me to, I can give you
the bibliographical  references.


>From: Theo Paijmans <>
>Subject: Theos-World request biographical information on Scott-Elliot
>Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:04:56 +0100
>Dear all,
>Does anyone have - or know where to find - biographical information on
>Scott-Elliot, the author of The Story of Atlantis and The Lost Lemuria?
>I am not abel to find it at all in the usual theosophical sources.
>Kind regards,
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