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Re: Theos-World The Mahatmas and a "Liberal" Church

Mar 01, 2006 11:15 AM
by M. Sufilight


Hallo Carlos and all,

My views are:

Yes.
I would also like Pedro and other Leadbeater fans
comment on that quote by the Mahatma, and explain why the LCC
is not exactly losing its socalled - reason the exist - in the same manner as the by Carlos in the below quoted Priest and Churches.

Here is some more explanation why I am against CWL's LIberal Catholic Church (LCC).
My poor somewhat almost Middle Eastern Sufi-heart is suffering seeing this problem, not being dealt with properly.
There are too many members with what I would call Christian-theosophical tendencies. These same members has a lot of prejudice to
offer the Middle East if they develop their occult skills prematurely or in the wrong direction.


As Blavatsky said in her 1888 article:
IS THEOSOPHY A RELIGION?

"Moreover, the very raison d'Ítre of the Theosophical Society was, from its beginning, to utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare against dogma or any belief based upon blind faith.
It may sound odd and paradoxical, but it is true to say that, hitherto, the most apt workers in practical theosophy, its most devoted members were those recruited from the ranks of agnostics and even of materialists. No genuine, no sincere searcher after truth can ever be found among the blind believers in the "Divine Word," let the latter be claimed to come from Allah, Brahma or Jehovah, or their respective Kuran, Purana and Bible. For:

Faith is not reason's labour, but repose. "
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/IsTheosophyAReligion.htm

Leadbeater even himself admits his own double-standard.
Here from "Inner Life" written 1917, C. W. Leadbeater.

" CEREMONIAL
287. The line of ceremonial is one along which many people come, but of course it must be understood that no religious ceremonial whatever is ever really essential, and the man who wishes to enter upon the Path of Holiness must realize this fully and must cast off belief in the necessity of ceremonies, as one of the fetters which hold him back from nirvana. This does not mean that ceremonies may not be sometimes quite effective in producing the results which are intended, but only that they are never really necessary for any one, and that the candidate for higher progress must learn to do utterly without them. The ceremonial line is an easy road for a certain type of people, and is really helpful and uplifting for them; but there is another type of men who always feel ceremonial as an obstacle between themselves and the deities which they wish to reach.

288. In Christianity this ceremonial line is the one appointed by its founder, through which his magic is to work. The consecration of the host, for example, is a means by which spiritual force is poured out over the people. There is often a vast amount of devotional feeling at the moment of the consecration, and the working of the magic is assisted by that, though it does not depend upon it. Those who are devotional unquestionably receive more because they bring with them an additional faculty of reception. On the other hand, there is always the probability that ignorant devotion will degenerate into superstition. In a recent enquiry into these matters from the occult point of view, made in Sicily, I found that there was certainly plenty of superstition, and much harmful interference in family matters on the part of the priests; but still on the whole the country was distinctly better than it would have been without it. We should remember also that in history we usually hear much of the worst effects of religious enthusiasm, whereas the good steady progress of many thousands under its influence makes but little impression."




Let us hear your wise words in response Pedro, Dave and friends.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Theos-World The Mahatmas and a "Liberal" Church




Dear Sufilight,


Thanks.

Perhaps Pedro Oliveira or some other Liberal Catholic
priest could comment this paragraph you quote
from the "Mahatma Letters" ?...

"I will point out the greatest, the chief cause of nearly two-thirds of the
evils that pursue humanity ever since it became a power. It is the
sacerdotal cast the priesthood and the churches. It is those illusions that
man looks upon as sacred that he has to search out the source of the
multitude of evils which is the great curse of humanity and that almost
overwhelms mankind. Ignorance created Gods, and cunning took advantage of
the opportunity." (Letter 10 in the Non-chronological editions)

Best regards, Carlos.

From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Begging money for the "Coming"
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:52:24 +0100

Hallo,


My views are:

John, I guess this is the place...
http://www.timestar.org/e-mail.htm

I did like these words:
There is one thought which specially brings a doubt to my mind,
especially when I have long since come to realize the truth contained in
the
following quotation from one of the Mahatma letters:--

"I will point out the greatest, the chief cause of nearly two-thirds of the
evils that pursue humanity ever since it became a power. It is the
sacerdotal cast the priesthood and the churches. It is those illusions
that
man looks upon as sacred that he has to search out the source of the
multitude of evils which is the great curse of humanity and that almost
overwhelms mankind. Ignorance created Gods, and cunning took advantage of
the opportunity."

It is incomprehensible to me how Dr. Bezants pronouncement that the
power
of the World Teacher manifests in the L. C. C. with the Herald of the Star
filled with pictures of Priests and clergy, it is incomprehensible how one
can harmonize the two thoughts, especially in view of the fact that H. P.
B's and hundreds of quotations from letters of the masters and also the
early writings of Mr. Leadbeter condemned the vary teachings of the
Christian church as false and misleading, which now are apparently found to
be true.

Having studied the writings of Dr. Besant, Leadbeter, H. P. B. and The
Mahatmas and Sinnett, I must admit that I am completely unable to make the
same harmonize with the more recent teachings of our leaders, especially in
view of their references to the L. C. C. and the apparent building or
hoping
to build in the world sacerdotal organization or organizations that have
within themselves the seed for greater misery and power than is possible at
the present time under Christian Theology.



from
M. Sufilight with a smile...

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To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Begging money for the "Coming"


> Was this posted by David Green? Lol. Might someone tell me who or what
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