Re: MARTIAN POLITIANS & CWL
Feb 22, 2006 10:14 PM
Since Mr Carlos continues to ridicule and demean a highly learned and
much gifted fellow theosophist - one who is unable to speak for
himself and one who by all accounts was a kindly, gentle person who
would not defend himself or criticize others even while alive, I
think I will go out on a limb and make some pretty wild statements
That way, Carlos can have a more contemporary target of ridicule. I
am sure, it must be more fun to ridicule someone who is around to
know about it. And who are we to deny Senor Carlos his kicks?
Just like Leadbeater, I am not asking any of you to believe in any
this. Of course, it would be nice if you considered the information
seriously, instead of dismissing it out of hand. Then you can decide,
with an open heart and mind, how much truth there is in it (maybe
10%, maybe less).
To begin: the Earth is not a very special planet in this Solar System.
All planets in the solar system are inhabited by living beings in
various stages of evolution.
Most planets except a couple of them are more evolved than the earth.
So a second class theosophist on a third class planet is a rather
lowly creature (I am being facetious of course, there are no third
class planets or people, the less evolved will eventually catch up -
it is just a matter of time).
All the life forms on the more evolved planets have bodies made of
etheric matter (similar to out etheric bodies without the
corresponding dense physical sheath). These etheric bodies and their
etheric surroundings are not visible to the human eye or to
instruments made of physical matter. However these etheric beings are
visible to human beings in their astral bodies. The etheric bodies
are otherwise similar to physical human bodies - they are born and
they die, they need food (made of etheric matter), they metabolize,
they rest and they sleep (etheric bodies should not be confused with
astral bodies which do not need food or sleep).
In spite of being a planet at a low stage of evolution, the earth is
very important and may be the most important one at this moment in
history - this is because earth is the planet where the battle
between good and evil is being fought and the results of this battle
will be known in the next several years (this battle may be material
for another post since we are now talking about Leadbeater and Mars).
Mars happens to be slightly more evolved than the earth and more
advanced technologically. Martians (and also Venusians and
Mercurians - Carlos will bring these up soon), do travel to earth
frequently and they spend a lot of time anxiously watching the
events occurs (anxious because of the ongoing battle which is coming
to a head). The law does not allow them to interfere with events on
earth, so they only do things like leave around crop circles (see
http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/2005/index.html ). The Earth's
Hierarchy is watching too (but they don't get anxious).
Now back to Leadbeater - he got most of his information about life on
Mars (and maybe on other planets) during his travels in the astral
world. How accurate was he? The astral world is full of distortion
and illusions, it is very easy to be mistaken. If Leadbeater was
right more than 60% of the time, that would be a major achievement.
However, I don't believe he meant to deceive or mislead anyone, he
just stated the truth as he saw it. For instance, I am told that Mars
is more densely populated than the earth, but Leadbeater seems to
By the way, there is someone in this group who claims to be able to
travel in the astral world 'easily'. I would not put much trust in
him. He is a trickster - besides he is peddling some stuff about
psionics which I have absolutely no idea about, but sounds rather
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> Our Ambassador To The Red Planet?
> C.W. LEADBEATER ON THE SOCIAL
> AND POLITICAL LIFE OF THE MARTIANS
> By Carlos Cardoso Aveline
> During his unlikely visits to the red planet, the liberal catholic
> Charles Leadbeater spent some time observing the political
structures of the
> physical-plane Martian civilization he thought he saw.
> After discussing the houses, cities and the cultural life in that
> his fancy made him write:
> "On every hand one sees signs of a very old civilization, for the
> inhabitants have preserved the tradition of all that was known when
> great life-wave of humanity occupied the planet, and have since
added to it
> many discoveries. Electricity seems to be practically the sole
> power, and all sorts of labor-saving machines are universally
> This, by the way, is quite similar to the terrestrial conditions
> Leadbeater was living.
> It seems that the Bishop was not very fond of the Martians, as he
> them of being indolent:
> "The people are on the whole distinctly indolent, especially after
> passed their first youth. But the comparatively small size of the
> enables them to live very easily. They have trained various kinds
> domestic animals to a far higher condition of intelligent
> has yet been achieved on earth, so that a great deal of servant's
> gardener's work is done by these creatures with comparatively
> According to Leadbeater, the Martian government is autocratic, but
> a monarchy, like in his native England. The interplanetary
> clairvoyant writes:
> "One autocratic ruler governs the whole planet, but the monarchy is
> hereditary. Polygamy is practiced but it is the custom to hand over
> children to the State at a very early age to be reared and
educated, so that
> among the vast majority of the people there is no family tradition
> and no one knows who are his father and mother. There is no law
> this, but it is considered so decidedly the right thing to do and
> for the children that the few families who choose to live somewhat
> we do, and to educate their children at home, are always regarded
> selfishly injuring their prospects for the sake of what is
> animal affection."
> Children educated with no contact with their parents is
> scene" for the clairvoyant visitor on Mars. CWL was very keen at
> other people's children at Adyar and elsewhere.
> But, it is also possible that by doing this Leadbeater was only
> to introduce this exclusive revolutionary Martian educational
> on earth -- through the Adyar Society.
> Although there is no hope of democracy on Mars, Leadbeater does
> Monarchy with its vice-roys, like in the British empire where he
> "The King has under him what may be called viceroys of large
> they in turn have under them governers of smaller districts, and so
> to what would be equivalent here to the head-man of a village. All
> officials are chosen by the King from this group of especially
> children, and when the time of his own death is considered to be
> it is from among them or from among the already appointed officials
> chooses his successor."
> This is somewhat similar to the Adyar Society, where the
> leaders normally choose their successors. In any case, the
> power-structure of Leadbeater's Martian society is completely top-
> "All these rulers are autocratic, each within his own sphere but
appeal to a
> higher official is always possible, though the right is not
> exercised, because the people usually prefer to acquiesce in any
> reasonable decision rather than to take the trouble involved in
> As a political analyst CWL looks like having extremely
> He fails to imagine idealism in his Martian nightmare:
> "The rulers on the whole seem to perform their duties fairly well,
> one gets the impression that they do so not so much from a pre-
> of right or justice as to avoid the trouble that would certainly
> a flagrantly unjust decision."
> The conclusion being that, whenever authorities cheat and lie,
> must not be too apparent, in order to avoid trouble.
> O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O
> A BIBLIOGRAPHICAL NOTE :
> All the Leadbeater sentences quoted above are taken from the
> Life", by C. W. Leadbeater, Section Ten. The text was published
> magazine "Theosophical History", London, January 1988; see pages
> the sentences quoted above. I have the same text in the Spanish
> "Inner Life", by CWL, published in Buenos Aires by Editorial Glem
> 389-394). In later years the USA T.P.H. editions of the
book "Inner Life"
> have silently eliminated this description, as well as the brief but
> astonishing description of physical life on Mercury. Yet a
> edition of the book "The Solar System", by Mr. Arthur Powell – a
> C.W.L.'s – can still be bought in Brazil with this description of
> life on Mars.
> Another author and leading Adyar clairvoyant, Mr. Geoffrey Hodson,
> the same track at least up to the 1950s. In 1954-1955, Mr. Hodson
> a series of talks and classes to students in the international
> of the Adyar Society, in Madras/Chennai, southern India. It was
part of the
> "School of the Wisdom". The content of his lectures was published
> T.P.H. in India, in 1955, in two large volumes under the title
> Notes -- The School of the Wisdom", with 616 pp. in the volume I
> pp. in volume II. On pages 445-442 of volume I, Mr. Geoffrey
> and adopts, though in a somewhat cautious way, the same vividly
> description made by Mr. Leadbeater about a civilization on the red
> O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O
> Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline.
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