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Dave, Radha, Joy and CWL

Feb 22, 2006 05:30 PM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline


But do you know what is, for instance, the private position of both Ms. Radha Burnier and Ms. Joy Mills about Leadbeater's literature? They admit it is not reliable AT ALL.

I read "esoteric level" absurds written by him which were put out of circulation at least since 1980, if you understand me, and which are much worse, much worse than the Martian absurds.

Talk to them privately and you will see.

It would be impossible for you or anyone to obtain from Radha (or from Joy) a public statement decisively defending CWL's literature in general. Much less on his Martian fancies. I invite you to TRY and SEE. Write to any one of them, I can give you their addresses. At most they will say what Pedro said:

"It may be right,it may be wrong, who knows? "

That is, "the may be policy".

Privately, they will be more frank with you. You will see.

Now, Algeo is different, and I do not know him.

Incidentally, I read "esoteric level" absurds written by him which were put out of inner circulation at least since 1978, if you understand me, and which are much worse, much worse than the Martian absurds.

And, I tell you --indeed there are lots of things which I did not bring here yet and on which there there are public, inquestionable evidences, from Adyar-inquestionable sources.

Why, then, keep a policy of refusing to learn from our mistakes?

In order to learn from them, we first must admit them. Then we can learn, stop repeating them and move ahead.

To hide serious mistakes in order to protect the corporations' image is no good because it prevents people from learning the lessons involved and it leads them into repeating the same mistakes.

There is a popular Brazilian saying like this:

"To make a mistake once or twice is human. To keep repeating it is unfortunate."

But please don't think that I believe Blavatsky's students ( and I am one of them) are any better than anyone as human beings. We are all in the same broad testing field.

I only think we must be as frank as possible and not hide the truth of facts.

[In time: Think of the extraordinary events in Australia, 1922. We have not even started discussing real things!]

Best regards, and may the dialogue proceed, Carlos.

From: "soulsurvivor7771" <>
Subject: Theos-World Re: CWL Describes Daily Life on Mars
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:17:36 -0000

Mr Carlos,

Thank you for your response. I am not sure when Leadbeater asked you
or anyone else to believe what he said. He ceratinly has not had the
chance to ask me to believe what he claims to know. Neither do I ask
you to believe what I say. However, surely you do not question his
right (or mine) to make such claims and express our opinions as well
as our 'knowledge' about any matter, including life on Mars.

In my last post, I gave you quite a plausible explanation how
Leadbeater may have seen life on Mars. Unfortunately, not being as
spiritually advanced as him, I am unable to verify for myself the
truth of his statements (by travelling to Mars consciously in the
astral plane) - I am assuming you have the same problem (Yes, Mr
Carlos, it take spiritually advancement to achieve such siddhis, no
amount of intellectual prowess will do it for you).

In any case, you must grant after reading my explanation, that there
is still a small chance (1% chance? 0.01% chance?) that Leadbeater
may be proven to be correct about Mars after all.

As for Adyar, HIDING the texts about mars - it is obvious that they
did it out of fear of ridicule (such as yours). I, on the other hand,
have no such fear (mainly because I don't pass myself off, as some
sort of theosophical scholar). However, I think, the people who act
out of fear of ridicule are easier to forgive than those who indulge
in such ridicule themselves.

Incidentally, I recently created a webpage (very timely it looks
like) about different kinds of theosophists - you fit into one of
the types rather well (you may want to look at the page ). And by the way, I am
well aware of the 1925 incident when the 'Arhat' announcement was
made, I have mentioned it in my webpage (near the bottom of the
page), if you care to read it.


--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Dave,
> Thanks for your commentaries.
> I believe it will be enough for me to comment these first lines
your wrote:
> "Most of the information that Leadbeater provides in his books was
> obtained during his travels in the astral world. I am assuming that
> are like me and are unable to visit the astral world consciously.
> just like me you can only verify what exists in the physical
> This is indeed a fundamental point.  According to Leadbeater, you
> believe him because  he says so.  You also should go to rituals,
> According to the Esoteric Philosophy, on the other hand, trees
can  be
> known by their fruits.
> Masters and true disciples never tell you that you should believe
> because
> they have such or such siddhi or psychic abilitiy.  The spiritual
way is not
> a contest of siddhis.  "Who has more siddhis than the others?"
> Masters say (see the " Mahatma Letters") that you must preserve
> independence
> and learn by yourself.  Vatican's dugpas want blind believers. Not
> Masters.
> Not true disciples. Not true lay disciples.  And certainly not
> aspirants to discipleship.
> If Leadbeater's fancies were more than FANCIES,  if they, by now,
were more
> then funny stories, why, then, dear Mr. Dave, which would
> followers at the
> Adyar Theosophical Society have carefully and silently HIDDEN
their Martian
> and
> Mercurian texts from the public for some many decades?
> The tree can be understood and identified by its fruits, and the
actions by
> its consequences, Dave.
> They are hiding CWL's texts and books BECAUSE they want to
protect his
> image.

> ... snip ...

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