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Did Daniel Create False Persons?

Feb 22, 2006 07:52 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline

Dear Friends,

Paul Johnson has given, see below, another golden opportunity
for Daniel (or perhaps for Leon) to say something about Daniel's fraud
or not fraud regarding the creation of false persons in order to
attack theosophical groups.

As my knowledge of the internet is rather modest, I cannot
get to a technical conclusion myself, so far.

But I find Daniel's silence on the theme very significant.

This is an invitation to Daniel Caldwell, or to his friends "Mr. Green"
and "Mr. Hobbes" to clarify.

Ethics and truthfulness are of the essence in the art of living.

Best regards,   Carlos.

From: "kpauljohnson" <>
Subject: Theos-World Vague speculation, or precise observation?
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:31:47 -0000

--- In, leonmaurer@... wrote:
> Carlos,
> I think it might be about time that you cease your continuous
insinuations and innuendoes about Daniel Caldwell's supposed
fraudulent impersonations -- that seems to be supported by hearsay
evidence based solely on the vague speculations of an alleged enemy
of Caldwell who has a personal ax to grind because of
Caldwell's disagreement with his historical findings.
Hi Leon,

It's interesting that you choose to discredit my motives by innuendo
in a post in which you chide Carlos for doing so to Daniel.  The only
hearsay evidence I presented was that a fellow theos-talker told me
months ago that Daniel had used multiple personae in theosophical
discussion fora.  Other than that, the evidence is circumstantial,
but not hearsay.  You can check it all for yourself.  The only way
direct evidence would emerge is through a confession or the testimony
of an eyewitness-- not very likely.  (And you are strongly
discouraging a confession in your post!)  But the circumstantial
evidence is extremely strong.  Just read the posts and articles
originating from both "individuals" and ask yourself how many authors
are really writing them.  For example, the obsession with certain
topics, the style of relentless interrogation, the very similar
appearance of websites, the prominent link to Caldwell's site at the
top of Green's, all these can be observed.

I did not want to be the person to make this public for the very
reason that you are now demonstrating: the "blame the messenger"
phenomenon would distract people from the message.  As far as having
an ax to grind is concerned, I have known about this for six months
but remained silent until the feud erupted here between Carlos and
Daniel.  Feeling that we might be at the beginning of a long and
nasty ordeal, I shared with Carlos my information on the phenomenon
he was dealing with, and he pretty much insisted on making it
public.  I don't mind anyone disagreeing with my historical
findings.  But the relentless bullying here at theos-talk, of which
you were a recent target, is just too much.

The person who first told me about the impersonations is a regular
here whom you would undoubtedly esteem and trust more than me.  But
he has not wanted to address the issue publicly.  And the person who
did the research on Green's posting from Daniel's Tucson ISP is
likewise a regular here you would trust and esteem more than me.  But
he too does not wish to confront the problem.  Since I have not asked
permission to repost his message to me, all I can do is present the
punch lines:

the originating IP address for a theos-talk message by David Green,
posted in April 2000, is; a lookup of that address shows
it to be; that domain is owned by the
ISP Azstarnet; in the same month Daniel posted from the same ISP.

All these pieces of evidence can be examined by anyone for him or
herself.  Bottom line, use your head and just read all the posts from
May 2000 from Green and Caldwell, and ask yourself what was going
on.  Here is a link to them, arranged by author:



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