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Feb 21, 2006 10:58 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline


Dear Friends,

Mr. Pedro Oliveira quotes HPB’s “Secret Doctrine”.
The quotation was correctly copied by him. [See p. 707, volume II, Boris de Zirkoff’s edition, and at the same page and volume in The Theosophy Co.’s edition.]

In the paragraph quoted, H.P.B. says absolutely NOTHING that can suggest that the fancies written by C. W. Leadbeater about Mars and Mercury are correct. Just the opposite.

After stating that other planets may have other forms of life which will be VERY DIFFERENT from those on our own planet, H.P.B. writes in the paragraph:

“ (...) and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.”

That’s precisely what Mr. Leadbeater did. In his writings about Mars and Mercury, he produced a detailed, mayavic, imaginary extension or mental projection of his own familiar surroundings.

But this is not all.

The Martian & Mercurian fancies did not start with Mr. Leadbeater, and HPB clearly states that they are false in the very “Secret Doctrine”. She writes:

“When the present work was commenced, the writer, feeling sure that the speculation about Mars and Mercury was a mistake, applied to the Teachers by letter for explanation and an authoritative version. Both came in due time, and verbatim extracts from these are now given. ‘It is quite correct that Mars is in a state of obscuration at present, and Mercury just beginning to get out of it’ (...).” [Volume I, p. 165, of the Boris de Zirkoff edition, same page and volume, “The Theosophy Co.’s edition.]

Had C.W.L. read “The Secret Doctrine” and other writings by H.P.B. with due attention, he would not have lost time visiting Mars and Mercury so often.

But then he would also have avoided talking too much to the “Lord Christ”.

After all, H.P.B. clearly wrote that there will be no outer and physical Messiah coming any time soon
[ “Collected Writings”, TPH, vol. VIII, p. 172-173 ].

That did NOT keep C.W.L. from announcing to the World that Christ was coming back through Krishnamurti and his Liberal Catholic Church.

O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O

Peace to all beings, Carlos Cardoso Aveline.

From: "prmoliveira" <>
Subject: Theos-World Re: CWL & MARS
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:22 -0000

--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:

> I may have lost some message here, so I will repeat
> the essential ideas:
> 1) If the Leadbeaterian descriptions of Mars & Mercury
> are literally accurate,  Why have them disappeared from
> later editions of "Inner Life"
> 2) Leadbeater was the main founder of the
> Liberal Catholic Church. He also had strong missionary
> instincts, and he visited MARS repeatedly. Do do you
> believe that he might have organized some secret
> religious mission to that planet, with L.C.C.
> priests?

No, you haven't lost it. My reply to you is included below. You are
welcome to ignore my answers. Just don't expect me to answer the
same question again and again.

CWL was not the main founder of the LCC. It was James Ingall
Wedgwood, who was consecrated on 13th February 1916. CWL was
consecrated on 22nd July 1916. They are generally regarded as
the 'founding bishops', but the main founder was Wedgwood.

Editorial matters should be referred to editors. I was never an
editor of TPH. Did you raise the editorial issues you are now
raising when you worked in the editorial section of TPH Adyar back
in early 1994?

I see that you have chosen to ignore the quote from "The Secret
Doctrine" on life on other planets, also included below . You are,
naturally, entitled to do so.


> >From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro Oliveira, HPB, NASA & MARS
> >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -0000
> >
> >--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> >
> > > As a former International Secretary of the Adyar TS who lived
> >several
> > > years in Adyar, perhaps you would give us all some
commentaries on
> >the
> > > accuracy of these revelations about MARS, made by the
> >clairvoyant
> > > writer Charles Leadbeater, SEE BELOW.

> >Not being a clairvoyant myself I am not in a position to comment
> >his observations. Personally, I think he was just offering his
> >on the subject. But it is interesting to note that the following
> >passage from "The Secret Doctrine", vol. 2, addenda IV-B, seems to
> >consider the possibility of life in other planets:
> >
> >
> >"Venus, like Mercury, has a very dense atmosphere, as also has
> >and the snows which cover their poles, the clouds which hide their
> >surface, the geographical configuration of their seas and
> >continents, the variations of seasons and climates, are all
> >analogous — at least to the eye of the physical astronomer.  But
> >such facts and the considerations to which they give rise, have
> >reference only to the possibility of the existence on these
> >of human life as known on earth.  That some forms of life such as
> >know are possible on these planets, has been long since abundantly
> >demonstrated, and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed
> >questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical
> >inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an
> >imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.  It is better to
> >rest content with the three conclusions which M. C. Flammarion,
> >we have so largely quoted, formulates as rigorous and exact
> >deductions from the known facts and laws of science.
> >
> >I. The various forces which were active in the beginning of
> >evolution gave birth to a great variety of beings on the several
> >worlds; both in the organic and inorganic kingdoms.
> >
> >II. The animated beings were constituted from the first according
> >forms and organisms in correlation with the physiological state of
> >each inhabited globe.
> >
> >III. The humanities of other worlds differ from us, as much in
> >inner organization as in their external physical type."

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