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To Alaya, on a Hard Task

Feb 21, 2006 10:48 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline

Dear Alaya,

Thank you.

On the one hand CWL is a stupid author and I could not agree more with that.

On the other hand , though, he was not a stupid organizer. He took the political power
in an organization which karmically DOES NOT belong to him or to his ritualistic followers.
Belongs to Truth.

CWL based his political power on his pseudo-clairvoyance. Many decades later his popish empire is very slowly losing force.

Thousands of sincere souls have looked for Theosophy, the divina wisdom, only to meet the bitter ritualistic trap prepared by C.W.L. with his protegé Annie Besant. Manyu souls have fallen into it.

Unlike Leadbeater's Martian "description", this is no joke. "There are souls at stake in this game", wrote on Mahatma, in the Letters (I am quoting it approximately).

The theosophical movement must be the common ground for interested human beings to test the esoteric philosophy in their lives. There must be truthfulness. No consciouss cheating must be allowed. Adyar leaders KNOW dozens of "secrets" wich must be gradually opened and discussed honestly. A new perspective may emerge as we have more frankness and look at facts with more
respect for them as they are.

But I have to admit that the task is arid. Taking the movement seriously is no easy thing, and I
am sorry for the ugliness of some truths which we must have the courage to discuss.

There is a time when to hide truth is possible, but this time may be about to end by now.

You have my best wishes, Alaya.

Peace to all beings, Carlos Cardoso Aveline

From: "Alaya" <>
Subject: Theos-World Re: PEDRO , CWL & MARS
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:50:51 -0000

I am amazed with how much time we lose by discussing such stupid
authors like leadbeater...
he should have not even been mentioned, it's not worthy.
You, as 'long standing theosophists' should know better how to spend
your time when dealing to spiritual matters.


--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
> Pedro,
> I may have lost some message here, so I will repeat
> the essential ideas:
> 1) If the Leadbeaterian descriptions of Mars & Mercury
> are literally accurate,  Why have them disappeared from
> later editions of "Inner Life"
> 2) Leadbeater was the main founder of the
> Liberal Catholic Church. He also had strong missionary
> instincts, and he visited MARS repeatedly. Do do you
> believe that he might have organized some secret
> religious mission to that planet, with L.C.C.
> priests?
> Best regards,  Carlos.
> >From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro Oliveira, HPB, NASA & MARS
> >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -0000
> >
> >--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> >
> > > As a former International Secretary of the Adyar TS who lived for
> >several
> > > years in Adyar, perhaps you would give us all some commentaries on
> >the
> > > accuracy of these revelations about MARS, made by the remarkably
> >clairvoyant
> > > writer Charles Leadbeater, SEE BELOW.
> >
> >
> >Not being a clairvoyant myself I am not in a position to comment on
> >his observations. Personally, I think he was just offering his view
> >on the subject. But it is interesting to note that the following
> >passage from "The Secret Doctrine", vol. 2, addenda IV-B, seems to
> >consider the possibility of life in other planets:
> >
> >
> >"Venus, like Mercury, has a very dense atmosphere, as also has Mars
> >and the snows which cover their poles, the clouds which hide their
> >surface, the geographical configuration of their seas and
> >continents, the variations of seasons and climates, are all closely
> >analogous — at least to the eye of the physical astronomer.  But
> >such facts and the considerations to which they give rise, have
> >reference only to the possibility of the existence on these planets
> >of human life as known on earth.  That some forms of life such as we
> >know are possible on these planets, has been long since abundantly
> >demonstrated, and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed
> >questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical
> >inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an
> >imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.  It is better to
> >rest content with the three conclusions which M. C. Flammarion, whom
> >we have so largely quoted, formulates as rigorous and exact
> >deductions from the known facts and laws of science.
> >
> >I. The various forces which were active in the beginning of
> >evolution gave birth to a great variety of beings on the several
> >worlds; both in the organic and inorganic kingdoms.
> >
> >II. The animated beings were constituted from the first according to
> >forms and organisms in correlation with the physiological state of
> >each inhabited globe.
> >
> >III. The humanities of other worlds differ from us, as much in their
> >inner organization as in their external physical type."
> >
> >
> > > I also would like you to clarify one more issue,  please.
> > >
> > >
> > > When, back in 1999,  you said to me and to other Brazilian
> >students that the
> > > USA TPH was going to publish "a letter from Blavatsky" in which
> >she
> > > confessed she had 'a night of love' , did you know, by then, that
> >the source
> > > of such a misinformation was Mr. Solvyov, a liar and libeller
> >considered
> > > "fifty times worse than the Colulombs" by no other than Mr. Henry
> >Olcott in
> > > his memories?   Why did you not investigate the source of the
> >information
> > > before making it circulate?  Was it because Leadbeater's literary
> >fancies
> > > were getting visible,  and attacking HPB with false charge was a
> >way of
> > > preserving the image of CWL's literary "achievement"???  Just
> >asking, I
> > > believe you are the one who can clarify that.
> >
> >
> >I will reserve my opinion on your claim until after the publication
> >of the second volume of The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky.
> >
> >
> >pedro
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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