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Feb 21, 2006 10:04 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline


A Liberal Catholic Adept?



Dear Friends,

Pedro Oliveira has brought to our attention (see below) the fact that James Wedgwood was the main founder of the Liberal Catholic Church, and C. W. Leadbeater was only second in importance.

But who was the “main founder”, Mr. James Ingall Wedgwood? More than seven decades later, there is no reason for secrecy about that -- and the facts have been public for a number of years. Two quick glances at his life may be enough -- for the moment.


Ms. Mary Lutyens, the best-known of Krishnamurti biographers and his lifelong intimate friend, will be hardly doubted by Adyar people as a historical source.

She writes in the chapter seven of her book “The Life and Death of Krishnamurti” that in the night of August 7th, 1925, George Arundale made a humble, but ground-breaking announcement: J. Krishnamurti, Rajagopal, himself and James Wedgwood had achieved the fourth great initiation the previous night. They were now all “Arhats”.

Only two days after that, as Mary Lutyens explains, Arundale proudly announced the names of those
who would be the “12 apostles” of the “Lord Christ”, who was now arriving as a Messiah through his “vehicle” Jiddu Krishnamurti. Arundale was extremely close these days to James Wedgwood, the founder of the Church which was clairvoyantly destined to be the priestly and ritualistic instrument of the new Christ.

A few days later, the moment of utmost glory finally took place. It happened in the morning of August 15, 1925.

Annie Besant, the president of the Adyar Society, called for Esther Bright, Lady Emily (Mary Lutyen’s mother), Rukmini Arundale (George Arundale’s wife) and Shiva Rao to make an announcement. Soon they all were in her room. Looking slightly embarassed, Mrs. Besant told them that she herself, besides Leadbeater, Krishnamurti, Rajagopal, Arundale, Oscar Kollerstrom and James Wedgwood, had all had access to the fifth and final great initiation and were now -- ADEPTS. Humbly enough, Besant said that there should be no difference in the way the new Adepts would be treated by the rest of the people and by poor non-initiates in general.

James Wedgwood was very much active providing George Arundale with the insights for such marvellous initiatic occurrences. Coincidence or not, both James and George were now Adepts: a great blessing to the Liberal Catholics, indeed. But Krishnamurti started to distance himself from those miraculous events.


Another moment in the life of Mr. James Wedgwood was not so happy or glorious, and it occupied the entire two last decades of his life. In 1931, just a few years after finally obtaining “Adepthood”, the founder of the L.C.C. “became mentally deranged”, to use Mary Lutyens’ own words. Mary writes in the Postscript of her book “Krishnamurti -- The Years of Awakening”(p. 285):

“(...) As for Wedgwood, he became mentally deranged in 1931 and lived thereafter at the Theosophical Estate, Teckels Park, Camberley, Surrey. He was quite lucid at times but had to be restrained from going out since his madness took the form of taking off his clothes in public. He died in 1951.”

Compared to this, the other founder of the Liberal Catholic Church, the one who used to travel to Mars and Mercury and who had regular conversations with the Lord Christ, was much less eccentric indeed.

O o o O o o O o o O o o O

Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline.

From: "prmoliveira" <>
Subject: Theos-World Re: CWL & MARS
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:22 -0000

--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:

> I may have lost some message here, so I will repeat
> the essential ideas:
> 1) If the Leadbeaterian descriptions of Mars & Mercury
> are literally accurate,  Why have them disappeared from
> later editions of "Inner Life"
> 2) Leadbeater was the main founder of the
> Liberal Catholic Church. He also had strong missionary
> instincts, and he visited MARS repeatedly. Do do you
> believe that he might have organized some secret
> religious mission to that planet, with L.C.C.
> priests?

No, you haven't lost it. My reply to you is included below. You are
welcome to ignore my answers. Just don't expect me to answer the
same question again and again.

CWL was not the main founder of the LCC. It was James Ingall
Wedgwood, who was consecrated on 13th February 1916. CWL was
consecrated on 22nd July 1916. They are generally regarded as
the 'founding bishops', but the main founder was Wedgwood.

Editorial matters should be referred to editors. I was never an
editor of TPH. Did you raise the editorial issues you are now
raising when you worked in the editorial section of TPH Adyar back
in early 1994?

I see that you have chosen to ignore the quote from "The Secret
Doctrine" on life on other planets, also included below . You are,
naturally, entitled to do so.


> >From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro Oliveira, HPB, NASA & MARS
> >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -0000
> >
> >--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> >
> > > As a former International Secretary of the Adyar TS who lived
> >several
> > > years in Adyar, perhaps you would give us all some
commentaries on
> >the
> > > accuracy of these revelations about MARS, made by the
> >clairvoyant
> > > writer Charles Leadbeater, SEE BELOW.

> >Not being a clairvoyant myself I am not in a position to comment
> >his observations. Personally, I think he was just offering his
> >on the subject. But it is interesting to note that the following
> >passage from "The Secret Doctrine", vol. 2, addenda IV-B, seems to
> >consider the possibility of life in other planets:
> >
> >
> >"Venus, like Mercury, has a very dense atmosphere, as also has
> >and the snows which cover their poles, the clouds which hide their
> >surface, the geographical configuration of their seas and
> >continents, the variations of seasons and climates, are all
> >analogous — at least to the eye of the physical astronomer.  But
> >such facts and the considerations to which they give rise, have
> >reference only to the possibility of the existence on these
> >of human life as known on earth.  That some forms of life such as
> >know are possible on these planets, has been long since abundantly
> >demonstrated, and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed
> >questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical
> >inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an
> >imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.  It is better to
> >rest content with the three conclusions which M. C. Flammarion,
> >we have so largely quoted, formulates as rigorous and exact
> >deductions from the known facts and laws of science.
> >
> >I. The various forces which were active in the beginning of
> >evolution gave birth to a great variety of beings on the several
> >worlds; both in the organic and inorganic kingdoms.
> >
> >II. The animated beings were constituted from the first according
> >forms and organisms in correlation with the physiological state of
> >each inhabited globe.
> >
> >III. The humanities of other worlds differ from us, as much in
> >inner organization as in their external physical type."

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