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Feb 20, 2006 12:14 PM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline



You will have to wait until tomorrow,
as I do not have the SD where I have
access to the computer.

I knew about James Wedgwood and
I may comment more on him soon.
His life was most interesting, wasn't it?

We are not in a hurry.

In 1994 I did not work in the Brazilian
TPH yet.  I started in 1995 and
worked there up to 2001.

As you may know, my eyes as to the
of CWL were only opened as I worked
in the Brazilian edition of the Mahatma
Letters, a very strong experience.

I compared CWL/A.Besant with the
Masters' Teaching and I saw they were
the opposite in every major point,
including ritualism, autonomy of the
disciple, obscuration or life on Mars
(as you know, HPB wrote that
other items.

But when I edited  CWL's book "Inner Life"
in Portuguese language, I already noticed
and got all possible documentation
about the exclusion of the Martian texts.

It was only later that I discovered all the
extension of Leadbeater's conscious or
unconscious fraud.

Like many sincere theosophists, it took me
long years to open my eyes.  Precisely
two decades.  Because there is a relatively
organized system of pressures for the truth
to get covered. The kind of attitude that
leads people to suppress texts.

But now, more experienced,  I see the
importance of  the Leadbeaterian
description of MARS and MERCURY, because
it shows his level of clairvoyant fancy.

I admit. It too me too long to perceice
the roots of Adyar TS's pseudo-theosophy.

How long will it take to you?


From: "prmoliveira" <>
Subject: Theos-World Re: CWL & MARS
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:22 -0000

--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:

> I may have lost some message here, so I will repeat
> the essential ideas:
> 1) If the Leadbeaterian descriptions of Mars & Mercury
> are literally accurate,  Why have them disappeared from
> later editions of "Inner Life"
> 2) Leadbeater was the main founder of the
> Liberal Catholic Church. He also had strong missionary
> instincts, and he visited MARS repeatedly. Do do you
> believe that he might have organized some secret
> religious mission to that planet, with L.C.C.
> priests?

No, you haven't lost it. My reply to you is included below. You are
welcome to ignore my answers. Just don't expect me to answer the
same question again and again.

CWL was not the main founder of the LCC. It was James Ingall
Wedgwood, who was consecrated on 13th February 1916. CWL was
consecrated on 22nd July 1916. They are generally regarded as
the 'founding bishops', but the main founder was Wedgwood.

Editorial matters should be referred to editors. I was never an
editor of TPH. Did you raise the editorial issues you are now
raising when you worked in the editorial section of TPH Adyar back
in early 1994?

I see that you have chosen to ignore the quote from "The Secret
Doctrine" on life on other planets, also included below . You are,
naturally, entitled to do so.


> >From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro Oliveira, HPB, NASA & MARS
> >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -0000
> >
> >--- In, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> >
> > > As a former International Secretary of the Adyar TS who lived
> >several
> > > years in Adyar, perhaps you would give us all some
commentaries on
> >the
> > > accuracy of these revelations about MARS, made by the
> >clairvoyant
> > > writer Charles Leadbeater, SEE BELOW.

> >Not being a clairvoyant myself I am not in a position to comment
> >his observations. Personally, I think he was just offering his
> >on the subject. But it is interesting to note that the following
> >passage from "The Secret Doctrine", vol. 2, addenda IV-B, seems to
> >consider the possibility of life in other planets:
> >
> >
> >"Venus, like Mercury, has a very dense atmosphere, as also has
> >and the snows which cover their poles, the clouds which hide their
> >surface, the geographical configuration of their seas and
> >continents, the variations of seasons and climates, are all
> >analogous  at least to the eye of the physical astronomer.  But
> >such facts and the considerations to which they give rise, have
> >reference only to the possibility of the existence on these
> >of human life as known on earth.  That some forms of life such as
> >know are possible on these planets, has been long since abundantly
> >demonstrated, and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed
> >questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical
> >inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an
> >imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.  It is better to
> >rest content with the three conclusions which M. C. Flammarion,
> >we have so largely quoted, formulates as rigorous and exact
> >deductions from the known facts and laws of science.
> >
> >I. The various forces which were active in the beginning of
> >evolution gave birth to a great variety of beings on the several
> >worlds; both in the organic and inorganic kingdoms.
> >
> >II. The animated beings were constituted from the first according
> >forms and organisms in correlation with the physiological state of
> >each inhabited globe.
> >
> >III. The humanities of other worlds differ from us, as much in
> >inner organization as in their external physical type."

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