Feb 17, 2006 11:01 AM
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Vladimir <forums@...> wrote:
> Friday, February 17, 2006, 7:24:15 PM, kpauljohnson wrote:
> OK, let's rephrase: your claim
Problem #1 is reducing the tentative explanation of extensive
biographical and historical information as a "claim." That's a term
more suited for psychic revelations than scholarly
investigations. "Your conclusion" would be more appropriate, since the
evidence and reasoning is laid out for anyone to examine. "Claim"
implies a request to be believed on faith. "Conclude" implies the
expectation that others may conclude differently based on the same
is that HPB lied about the Masters and
> that actually they were not those wise and mighty creatures as
> portrayed in the modern theosophical lore. Is that a correct
Problem #2 is the highly charged way you phrase that. More accurate
would be "HPB mixed truth and falsehood in her descriptions of the
Masters." And you can't really generalize about all of them because
some of the descriptions seem to have no or nearly no fictional
elements, whereas others are more highly fictionalized.
Problem #3 is with "not those wise and mighty creatures"-- as Desmond
just posted, I disavow any attempt to measure or rate these individuals
on any kind of spiritual scale. Such is not amenable to the kind of
investigation pursued. They might or might not have been, in
individual cases, as enlightened or evolved as HPB portrayed them as.
That is left an open question.
I suppose, it is effectively equal to "false persons".
No, "false persons" is PRECISELY what my books have been accepted by
many outside the realm of Theosophical fanaticism as
DISPROVING. "Fictionalized portraits of real people" is hardly the
same thing, since the latter allows for their having genuine learning
to share whereas the former makes them nonexistent.
BTW you can get a chart for the September 1875 date for free at either
astro.com or thefutureminders.com. But the 11/17/75 has thus far been
used universally as far as I know in discussions of the TS chart--
although with mundane astrology one could pick from several dates.
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