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Agreeing to Disagree

Feb 09, 2006 10:12 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline



The problem is not keeping and documenting the libels against HPB.

If you read what I wrote you will what is the point. One of its aspects is publishing libels against HPB as if they were not proven lies.

No Museum will show fake pictures -- at least without clearly indicating they are fake.

No newspaper editor will publish texts he positively knows to be libels.

No book editor will publish false material, except John Algeo (who privately, and only partially, accepted his mistake in the case of the HPB Letters), and Daniel Caldwell. That I know.

As to the ULT, I suspect you do not know it very well, do you?

Have you ever heard that the lack of knowledge makes us have strongest opinions?
Especially negative ones?

But -- we agree to disagree and that is something.

Still, there are philosophical possibilities to this e-group...

Regards, Carlos.

From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <>
To: <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Every Challenge is ...
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:16:18 +0100

=>Thanks for your views and your frankness.

Dear Carlos, nomen est omen!

=>As I am an independent student, I can only write
for myself.

Me too. I am a student of HPB and a truth
searcher, not a party liner or a follower of any

=>I recognize no too important difference between
the Pasadena TS and the ULT
as long as I am concerned.

I was writing rather about the Point Loma TS.

=>I believe that in the long run the United Lodge
of Theosophists (ULT),   the
Edmonton Theosophical Society (ETS, Canada),  the
Pasadena TS, most
independent theosophists around the world and many
Adyar TS students have
much more in common than not. That is my feeling.

I think that, too. But the party liners, bigots
and ideologists do not see it.

=>I only believe that to include in "our" books
false letters ascribed to H.
P. Blavatsky, "letters" which say that she was a
Russian Spy, or that she
help torture a cat to death,  during "occult
experiences", or publishing in
our "theosophical" books all those other lies
against her and directly the
Masters, invented by the Coulombs --  is not
correct. Notr at all.   If you
take the time to take a look at the "material",
you will see what I mean.

At present - I have not come to final conclusions
about that matter - I follow the middle way
between the two fighting poles: No republications
of her foes and the kind Wheaton has handled the
republication of the forged letters in vol. I,
appearing as to be autentic.
Basically, they should be reprinted as new
generations are coming which must have access to
all available sources, even to that of foes. But
in my humble opinion it would have been better to
take them into a chapter of its own or into an
appendix rather as to intermix the true and the
false letters.
We should have learned from the errors of the past
some 2,000 years ago when hysterical church
fathers destroyed all documents which they
recognized as from the devil.
Theosophists of the future will do their own
research and it is not enough for them to them
that our generation has solved the problems, has
finished the research and destroyed the false
Every theosophical generation has the DUTY to
reexamine anew and not to dogmatize on hear-say.

=>None of this "publishing work"  has been done by
the Pasadena TS.

The Pasadena TS was founded in 1973, but I spoke
of the Point Loma TS and Katherine Tingley.
In KT's time other things were important than to
take care of the foes.
Don't you see that the Theosophical MOVEMENT is a
LIVING ORGANISM and not a concrete slab?

=>So I have nothing to say against the Pasadena
TS.   As to Radha Burnier, the
Adyar international president since 1980, well,
she said in a 2004 letter
to me that she did not support,  the publication
of those "obviously
spurious letters" (her words)  fabricated by

To me she can write what she likes. She is not an
expert on Theosophy to me just because old aunts
elected her as PTS.
Basically, I agree with publication of foe texts.
I have collected for myself a big shelf full of
German anti-theosophcial pamphlets and I pray to
the Gods that one day I will have the opportunity
and time and money to publish them! Of course that
makes me a dugpa, esp. among those theosophists,
who claims to be student of Purucker. That GdeP
himself taught his students to study the foe
literature and present them in the Point Loma
library disturbs these emotional sectarians not.
They believe they get bad karma, when they read
foe literature. I for myself believe they already
have bad karma as they cannot think logically and
create further bad karma as not understandng a
dialectic process does not help themselves nor the
Masters plan with the TM and humanity in general.

>Respectful difference are mutually enriching in
>the long run.

I subscribe.

=>Besides, as long as I know the Pasadena TS did
not make any attack to the
ULT, or to Robert Crosbie.

That is true, and it seems that to KT and GdeP
there was nevertheless something good in Crosbie's
actions, although both were critical about the
bigotry the ULT in their times.
OTOH, the ULT made several attacks against KT and

Thanks for your comments.

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