Re: Theos-World Women do NOT possess the divine soul but men do??????
Aug 22, 2005 09:12 AM
by carlos cabezas
Frank Reitemeyer <email@example.com> wrote:Daniel, mmh, I welcome your questions and they show that you are interested
in a serious discourse.
But at the same time I wonder, whether I am too stupid to express myself.
My answer to you is: Yes and No.
It depends on the point of view.
It's like the interpretation of terms like "absolute" or "Immutable
Principle" of the first proposition.
It depends whether you look from the human or divine point of view.
Or say exoteric and esoteric: With explanation or without explanation.
To say that women are inferior to men is obvioulsy an exoteric expression.
It lacks a rationale for the brain-mind.
KH gave the divine point of view, I gave some examples (much more can be
found thru history) of the Catholic Church, which seem to present the human
(BTW, although I don not agree with some things the present Pope wrote, but
five minutes of address in Cologne the last days had more spiritual content
and were nearer to Theosophy than one hour psychological blah-blah of Mrs
Whether HPB taught this or not, I did not check it before writing here.
I do not know hwat she taught or not taught for the easy reason that I was
not present and that only a little portion of it came down to us in written
form. I know only that what under her name was published. What she orally
taught (or Judge or KT or GdeP) I do not know. What I know is that HPB knew
more and taught more than is published.
I hope you at least agree to that. You should know it much better than I as
your do your research longer than I and have a better archives than I and
you have co-edited her I.G.-Instructions.
What I know over Elsie Benjamin and some document (circular?) of GdeP
elsewhere in my archives, that GdeP taught that as a general rule women must
not become leading posts for several centuries to come. I have no reason to
believe that HPB did not taught it, because GdeP was the first messenger who
was allowed to give higher teachings out. I believe that the theosophical
tulkus are coming from the same Dzyan School, having the same teachers, were
trained under the same methods and therefore taught in essence (not
necessarily in outer words) the same doctrines.
There were clever brain-minders, who played with the words and found
contradictions between HPB, Judge, KT and GdeP, which is of course their own
Mental Crystallization and fanatism is notoriously the main illness of most
Theosophists (the chidlren of their time): Flapdoodles.
We know that there were other higher teachings which are not giving out as
the doctrine about races. Image, what the world under the present condition
whould shout, when it would turn out, that Theosophy makes race
distinctions! Are not the races are all equal?? GdeP taught that negroes are
intellectual inferior to the white man. This is of course not politically
correct. But is it true?
What do you understand by equal?
I think a woman is a woman and must develop womanhood.
And man is a man and must develop manhood.
GdeP taught (Golden rules): Go out and be a man! (not be a woman)
The TS wants a Universal Brotherhood (not a Universal Sisterhood).
He also said that it was very important for HPB to appear as a woman.
Why could he not appear as a man?
Elsie Benjamin said, because the woman's standing must be lifted up in this
I think, HPB wrote eslewhere similar. To lift up a standing implies that the
standing before was not equal.
At least to my logic.
In am not a Hinayana Theosophists who believes only in the exoteric or quasi
esoteric teachings of HPB and denies all higher Mahayana doctrines.
I believe that GdeP was a Tibetan tulku, trained by HPB's own Masters and
taught the same doctrines from the same school.
Other theosophists may believe that HPB was the single, unique,
never-before-never-after messenger without predecessor nor successor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell"
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: Theos-World Women do NOT possess the divine soul but men do??????
So are you saying that the "higher teachings" of
Theosophy do NOT teach that men and women are
equal? But instead that men are somehow "superior" to women??
That men possess the divine soul but that women
lack the divine soul? What is the "divine soul" in
Does H.P. Blavatsky teach this anywhere in her
Or is this teaching found only in some obscure or
esoteric text by GdP??
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> Bart, as far as I know (I have no time to study in depth Thomas)
> that a male fetus becomes after 40 days and a female fetus after
> But that refers only to that what Theosophy labels the lower self.
As far as
> I know Thomas denied that women have a divine soul.
> That's the reason why he also said that women exists mainly to
serve the men
> and give birth to children and to keep house - not to serve God,
which is a
> privileg of the man.
> Thomas also added that a woman is inferior to man (i.e. lack of
> soul). That is the common convinction in the Catholic church and
> rationale why women cannot become priests: they possess no divine
> therefore have no connection to God and cannot to the work of a
> He also wrote that women are a blunder of nature, not created
> the image of God, therefore it is the natural order of a woman to
> man. The full expression of the human kind is only possible in a
> the women is a corrupted, mistaken man.
> For this reason the synod of Paris in 846 A.C. decided that no
> enter a room where a woman is to be.
> And the synod of Coyaca in 1050 decided that in the neighbourhood
> church no woman must live.
> And the 2nd synod of Toledo in 589 decided that a priest who hosts
> under suspicion must be punished and the woman sold into slavery
> The synod of Elvira, 4th Century, decided that woman must not
> receive letters.
> Clemens said before 215 that a woman, thinking of her own being
> There was another church teacher, John Chrysostomos (in greco-
> rendering), who said that women mainly exist to satisfy the
> Pope Pius II. (1405-1464) said: If you look at a woman, consider,
it is the
> devil! She is a kind of hell!
> Buddhist monks is not allowed to give a woman the hand because
> I think that Theosophy teaches similiar in its higher teachings,
> Theosophy looks as is men and women are equal.
> GdeP elsewhere said (I am looking for the text I read some years
> perhaps in one of his circulars - as warning for future
> women may not get leaders in the TM for the next some hundreds of
> because of their lack of the divine soul and their attraction to
> astral world.
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Why to think that women do not possess the divine soul, who is the given of life...male or female,meaning who carrie life,who is strong enough to give birth,why it take man 40 days and women 80 I think is obvious...something material take faster to develop that something that is more ispiritual...who is more compassion...i think us as male are not ready to understand the high espirituality in women is not that the reason why HPB came as women?.Can you see the spirituality of women in the way she was created...may be is us as man that ditorted tha image...converting in something more material.....women is our way as males to higher spiritual knoledge,and until we can not undestand this concept,we will never see women as what really means to us.....see the material evolution of women,and you will see how she is catching to ours as males....light always overcame darkness..............
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