Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00457)

Netemara: also read recently that the man who was going to do a big 
expose on her, lived in San Francisco I think, was all set to show and 
prove wher the SD came from and before he could do it he was killed in 
the San Francisco earthquake and all his stuff was lost and the book 
was never written. 

Brian: Your making this up, or what was his name, and he certainly will 
have postet some of his ideas on e-mails here and there ?

http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9

--- In theos-talk@y..., "netemara888" <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> Brian: It goes back to the definition of 'master' one who recognizes 
> Truth. And Blavatsky is a master at recognizing the truth in whatever 
> form it appears. That she may have 'borrowed' or used this book is of 
> no moment to me, because in my mind she may have been that man 
in 
> that Chinese incarnation and written it her darn self in that life. 
> This book may have never come to light and been the influence it had 
> been had she not recognized it. 
> 
> And I know she spoke/knew Italian because she and her family had 
> reincarnated many times into the Italian ethnic/mediterrean group. 
> Besides Italian is easy to read, and THE easiest Romantic language to 
> learn--it's a no brainer compared to French.
> 
> Now is this author saying she copied it verbatim? The Voice is based 
> on the Stanzas of Dyzan right? And people have said it here and there 
> that there is no such thing as Senzar language as she called it? Is 
> that right? Well, she gets credit for no other reason than 
> translating the thing into English. And if my memory serves me 
> correctly that she said that she pulled this out of her master's (MM) 
> brain while he was touching her temples. And that she had to make 
his 
> English more fluent. Or was that the other story when she was with 
> him in Tibet? I get the stories confused. But she says clearly that 
> the words of The Voice, anyway, are NOT her own. But it is not proof 
> positive that she did not plaigerize it. 
> 
> I also read recently that the man who was going to do a big expose 
on 
> her, lived in San Francisco I think, was all set to show and prove 
> wher the SD came from and before he could do it he was killed in the 
> San Francisco earthquake and all his stuff was lost and the book was 
> never written. That's divine justice for ya....
> 
> Netemara
> 
> ***************
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> 
wrote:
> > Well I do have to ad something to the previous posting Reg. "any 
> > Chinese person who has been to elementary school knowns 
> > who Hsuan Tsang was and what he did" and writes, "The monk's 
own 
> > account of his journey, whose full title is The Great Tang 
> Chronicles of 
> > the Western World, translated into English by a British clergyman-
> > scholar named Samuel Beal, is regarded as one of the great 
classics 
> of 
> > Chinese literature." Beal's work would have been marginal to the 
> > consciousness of most late 19th-century American and European 
> > readers, but not to Orientalists or people like Blavatsky."
> > 
> > Brian: I read another version of this in the late 1970's. This was 
> in Karl 
> > H. Frick's "Licht und Finsterniss " ( his next book "Die 
> Erleuchtette" 
> > continues his overview of Masonic and occult movements that time).
> > 
> > He also mentions this " tale of the mad monk"
> > Hsuan Tsang yet mentioned a translation of this as "the Stanzas" 
> in 
> > Italian that appeared ten years before "The Secret Doctrine." 
> > 
> > Although there is no further evidence that Blavatsky in fact used 
> that 
> > book as an idea, biographical fact is, she did know Italian. 
> > reg. "Stanzas," Blavatsky indeed uses this definite Italian word, 
> rather 
> > then the English "verses".
> > 
> http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > Brian: By the way, I think I know where Blavatsky got the title 
> for 
> > > her "Book of Dzyan". (of course the race theories are part of her 
> own 
> > > mix that she added to these others)
> > > 
> > > Richard Bernstein, a New York Times book critic, has written a 
> book 
> > > titled Ultimate Journey: Retracing the Path of an Ancient 
> Buddhist 
> > Monk 
> > > Who Crossed Asia in Search of Enlightenment (2001), describing 
> his 
> > > own journey in the footsteps of Hsuan Tsang (AD 603 - 664). He 
> > notes 
> > > that "any Chinese person who has been to elementary school 
knowns 
> > > who Hsuan Tsang was and what he did" and writes, "The monk's 
own 
> > > account of his journey, whose full title is The Great Tang 
> Chronicles of 
> > > the Western World, translated into English by a British clergyman-
> > > scholar named Samuel Beal, is regarded as one of the great 
> classics 
> > of 
> > > Chinese literature." Beal's work would have been marginal to the 
> > > consciousness of most late 19th-century American and European 
> > > readers, but not to Orientalists or people like Blavatsky.
> > > 
> > > The name of Hsuan Tsang is also written Xuan Zang, Hiouen 
Thsang, 
> > > Huan Chwang, and Yuan Chwang. His name in Mandarin Chinese 
is 
> > > pronounced "Shyu-ann Dzang". As you can see, "Dzang" is 
awfully 
> > close 
> > > to "Dzyan". It seems possible to me that HPB may have cribbed 
> the 
> > > name of this monk to gain some authenticity with individuals who 
> > were 
> > > vaguely familiar with Beal's translation of his writings.
> > > 
> > > What do you think?
> > 
> > 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Bill Meredith" <bilmer@s...> wrote:
> > > > > No you don't need an airline ticket, just listen to Steve and 
> ask
> > > > > yourself what kind of government could love Steve, and in 
> fact 
> > take 
> > > > care of
> > > > > him if he is unable to take care of himself, just so he can 
> > > > continue to be
> > > > > who he is.
> > > > 
> > > > Hi, Bill:
> > > > 
> > > > I don't have a clue as to what that statement means. I don't 
> believe 
> > > > anyone "loves" any of us, and if we end up a ward of the state, 
> the 
> > > > government won't take care of us just so we can continue to be 
> > who 
> > > we 
> > > > are. They will keep us in something slightly better than a 
> > > > vegetative state until the Grim Reaper comes and gets us. I 
> have 
> > > > visited those places and could not wait to get out. 
> Fortunately, the 
> > > > medicare system is starting to rate nursing homes, but I don't 
> know 
> > > > how advanced a state that effort is in. It will be interesting 
> to 
> > > > see how much more highly rated are institutions for the ruling 
> elite 
> > > > than for the elderly poor who got ripped off by the investment 
> > > > bankers.
> > > > 
> > > > Iraq is an Arab country, and Scott Ritter publicly made some 
> rather 
> > > > frank comments about George Bush while he was there. 
Saddam 
> > did 
> > > not 
> > > > put him in jail to my knowledge.
> > > > 
> > > > If Oil War II does not end quickly and leaves a lot of 
> teenagers from 
> > > > Iowa dying in convulsions from inhaling Sarin the jingoism in 
> this 
> > > > country will last about as long as a puff of hair spray. Bear 
> in 
> > > > mind the last urban combat our forces engaged in was in 
> > Mogaadishu, 
> > > > and Aidid did not have nerve gases. If Bush starts an 
> avoidable war 
> > > > he is taking one hell of a political chance, and may well end 
> the 
> > > > Bush dynasty. You know of course that they are now saying 
> after 
> > > > eight years of George we will have to put up with eight years 
> of Jeb 
> > > > and then presumably work our way down the list until we get 
to 
> > > > Silverado Neil. If he trips in the sand that may not happen. 
> Groegr 
> > > > says he does not care about the folks who will be grabbing 
> those oil 
> > > > wells for him. No Yalies there, after all. But if he thinks 
> nobody 
> > > > else cares he may be in for a very big surprise.