Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00447)

Well I do have to ad something to the previous posting Reg. "any 
Chinese person who has been to elementary school knowns 
who Hsuan Tsang was and what he did" and writes, "The monk's own 
account of his journey, whose full title is The Great Tang Chronicles of 
the Western World, translated into English by a British clergyman-
scholar named Samuel Beal, is regarded as one of the great classics of 
Chinese literature." Beal's work would have been marginal to the 
consciousness of most late 19th-century American and European 
readers, but not to Orientalists or people like Blavatsky."

Brian: I read another version of this in the late 1970's. This was in Karl 
H. Frick's "Licht und Finsterniss " ( his next book "Die Erleuchtette" 
continues his overview of Masonic and occult movements that time).

He also mentions this " tale of the mad monk"
Hsuan Tsang yet mentioned a translation of this as "the Stanzas" in 
Italian that appeared ten years before "The Secret Doctrine." 

Although there is no further evidence that Blavatsky in fact used that 
book as an idea, biographical fact is, she did know Italian. 
reg. "Stanzas," Blavatsky indeed uses this definite Italian word, rather 
then the English "verses".
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--- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> wrote:
> Brian: By the way, I think I know where Blavatsky got the title for 
> her "Book of Dzyan". (of course the race theories are part of her own 
> mix that she added to these others)
> 
> Richard Bernstein, a New York Times book critic, has written a book 
> titled Ultimate Journey: Retracing the Path of an Ancient Buddhist 
Monk 
> Who Crossed Asia in Search of Enlightenment (2001), describing his 
> own journey in the footsteps of Hsuan Tsang (AD 603 - 664). He 
notes 
> that "any Chinese person who has been to elementary school knowns 
> who Hsuan Tsang was and what he did" and writes, "The monk's own 
> account of his journey, whose full title is The Great Tang Chronicles of 
> the Western World, translated into English by a British clergyman-
> scholar named Samuel Beal, is regarded as one of the great classics 
of 
> Chinese literature." Beal's work would have been marginal to the 
> consciousness of most late 19th-century American and European 
> readers, but not to Orientalists or people like Blavatsky.
> 
> The name of Hsuan Tsang is also written Xuan Zang, Hiouen Thsang, 
> Huan Chwang, and Yuan Chwang. His name in Mandarin Chinese is 
> pronounced "Shyu-ann Dzang". As you can see, "Dzang" is awfully 
close 
> to "Dzyan". It seems possible to me that HPB may have cribbed the 
> name of this monk to gain some authenticity with individuals who 
were 
> vaguely familiar with Beal's translation of his writings.
> 
> What do you think?
> 

> http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Bill Meredith" <bilmer@s...> wrote:
> > > No you don't need an airline ticket, just listen to Steve and ask
> > > yourself what kind of government could love Steve, and in fact 
take 
> > care of
> > > him if he is unable to take care of himself, just so he can 
> > continue to be
> > > who he is.
> > 
> > Hi, Bill:
> > 
> > I don't have a clue as to what that statement means. I don't believe 
> > anyone "loves" any of us, and if we end up a ward of the state, the 
> > government won't take care of us just so we can continue to be 
who 
> we 
> > are. They will keep us in something slightly better than a 
> > vegetative state until the Grim Reaper comes and gets us. I have 
> > visited those places and could not wait to get out. Fortunately, the 
> > medicare system is starting to rate nursing homes, but I don't know 
> > how advanced a state that effort is in. It will be interesting to 
> > see how much more highly rated are institutions for the ruling elite 
> > than for the elderly poor who got ripped off by the investment 
> > bankers.
> > 
> > Iraq is an Arab country, and Scott Ritter publicly made some rather 
> > frank comments about George Bush while he was there. Saddam 
did 
> not 
> > put him in jail to my knowledge.
> > 
> > If Oil War II does not end quickly and leaves a lot of teenagers from 
> > Iowa dying in convulsions from inhaling Sarin the jingoism in this 
> > country will last about as long as a puff of hair spray. Bear in 
> > mind the last urban combat our forces engaged in was in 
Mogaadishu, 
> > and Aidid did not have nerve gases. If Bush starts an avoidable war 
> > he is taking one hell of a political chance, and may well end the 
> > Bush dynasty. You know of course that they are now saying after 
> > eight years of George we will have to put up with eight years of Jeb 
> > and then presumably work our way down the list until we get to 
> > Silverado Neil. If he trips in the sand that may not happen. Groegr 
> > says he does not care about the folks who will be grabbing those oil 
> > wells for him. No Yalies there, after all. But if he thinks nobody 
> > else cares he may be in for a very big surprise.