Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00118)

THE INTERNAL EVIDENCE IN THE LETTERS THEMSELVES IS ALL THAT 
IS NEEDED TO REFUTE THEIR CLAIM TO A HIGHER SOURCE. I 
SUPPOSE THAT AS LONG AS PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE SUCH UTTER 
NONSENSE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT THOSE WHO ARE NOT 
ENTHRALLED BY IT CAN DO TO DISILLUSION THEM.

THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. THAT THE LETTERS ARE NOT FROM 
ANY SUCH THING AS A HIGHER SOURCE, OR ASCENDED MASTER IS 
SELF EVIDENT. THERE IS NOTHING HIGHER OR SUPER HUMAN 
CONTAINED IN THEM AT ALL. ANYTHING WORTHWHILE IN THEM HAS 
BEEN TAKEN FROM OTHER REAL-WORLD EARTHLY SOURCES. THE 
LETTERS WERE OBVIOUSLY A MERE RUSE TO PROVIDE CREDIBILITY TO 
HPB AND HER FRIENDS AMONG THEIR SELF-DELUDED, CREDULOUS 
FOLLOWERS.

HPB AND FRIENDS WERE ALL PERSONS AFFLICTED WITH SPECIAL-
NESS...THE NEED TO EXALT THEMSELVES ABOVE OTHER HUMAN 
BEINGS THROUGH THE CREATION OF A PATHOLOGICAL MUTUAL-
APPRECIATION SOCIETY OF FELLOW ELITISTS. 

THE MAHATMAS GAVE THEM ALL SPECIAL-NESS. THEIR PROUD 
KNOWER / GNOSTIC FOLLOWERS TODAY ARE ALSO AFFLICTED WITH 
THE PATHOLOGICAL DESIRE FOR SPECIAL-NESS. THIS DRIVES THEM 
AND IS WHY THEY CAN NEVER LET GO OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE SO-
CALLED MAHATMAS / ASCENDED MASTERS. 

THE MASTERS MUST BE REAL, OR THEY LOSE THEIR SPECIAL-NESS 
AND BECOME LIKE, OR LESS, THAN EVERYONE ELSE. THEY BECOME 
SELF-DELUDED AND DELUDING FOOLS WHO HAVE INVESTED THEIR 
LIVES IN A CRUDE HOAX. THUS THE 'MAHATMAS', ASCENDED 
MASTERS, OR 'MASTERED BEINGS' HAVE BECOME THE ALL-CONSUMING 
SELF-DEFINING REALITY OF THEIR FANATICAL BELIEVERS. NO 
AMOUNT OF REASON WILL EVER PRY THEM LOOSE FROM FROM 
THESE 'MASTERS', THEY ARE IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE. THEY HAVE 
DEEP-SEATED PSYCHOLOGICAL NEEDS TO HANG-ON TO THEIR SPECIAL-
NESS, AND THE MASTERS ALONE PROVIDE IT. 

THEY WOULD NOT NEED THEIR ASCENDED MASTERS TO SAVE THEM 
FROM UN-SPECIAL-NESS IN AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF SAMSARA. AS IT 
IS, THESE PATHETIC BEINGS ARE DESPERATE TO HANG ON TO THEIR 
PRIVILEGED POSITION IN PROXIMATION TO THE MASTERS, WHO GIVE 
THEM SPECIAL-NESS, SAVING THEM FROM BEING LIKE ALL OTHER 
SOULS. 

ALL LONG AS PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL THEMSELVES BETTER OR 
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO INVENT THOUGHT 
SYSTEMS THAT MAKE THEM A SPECIAL ELITE DUE TO RACE 
OR 'KNOWLEDGE', PROXIMITY TO ALIENS OR ASCENDED MASTERS 
ETC. THESE CADRES OF ELITISTS WILL REINFORCE EACHOTHERS' 
SENSE OF SPECIAL-NESS AND HAVE A DIVISIVE EFFECT IN HUMAN 
SOCIETY. 

THE PROBLEM WITH THEOSOPHISTS IS NOT THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT 
THE MAHATMAS' LETTERS ARE REAL, IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO 
BELIEVE THAT THE MAHATMAS' LETTERS ARE REAL. 

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WAKE SOMEONE AS LONG AS THEY ARE 
PRETENDING TO SLEEP. 


Editor: Someone wrote the "white" lineage of Tibet is the Kargyu 
lineage… 

THERE WAS A COMPLEX YUGA (WORLD EON or AGE), LILA (ACTIVITY) 
AND VARNA (OCCUPATIONAL PREDISPOSITION) ASSOCIATED WITH 
THE SYMBOLISM OF VARIOUS COLORS. APPEARED AS BLACK (BLUE) , 
GREEN, WHITE, RED AND YELLOW IN DIFFERENT YUGAS OR LOKAS 
(LOCATIONS / WORLDS) AND LILAS (PLAY ACTIVITIES) . THESE KIND 
OF COLORS ARE SEEN IN THE SACRED ART OF VISHNU, SHIVA (AND 
THEIR SHAKTIS), AND IN PURE LAND BUDDHISM, INCLUDING THE 
TIBETAN TRADITION, FOR INSTANCE IN THE CULTS OF WHITE TARA, 
GREEN TARA ETC. BARAHA (BOAR FORM OF VISHNU) IS OFTEN RED, 
MAHAKALA (TIME FORM OF SHIVA OR KRISHNA) IS BLACK OR BLUE, 
LOKESVARA IS OFTEN BLUE, MANJUSHRI MAY BE WHITE ETC. ON THE 
TANGKAS, THE DIRECTIONS AND PRESIDING FORMS OF THE DEITY ON 
THE MANDALA / YANTRA WILL BE RENDERED IN A COMPLEX SYMBOLIC 
COLOR SCHEME. THE EMANATIONS AND INCARNATIONS OF THE LORD 
AND HIS SHAKTI, LADY TARA, WILL BE COLORED IN KEEPING WITH THE 
ANCIENT TRADITIONS RELATIVE TO THE DOCTRINES OF YUGA, GUNA, 
LILA, VARNA, LOKA, DIRECTION, VYUHA, AVATARAS, AND VARIOUS 
LINEAGES ETC REFERING TO INDIC TRADTIONS FOR CROSS-
CHECKING THE MEANINGS OF THESE YANTRAS, REVEALS THAT THERE 
IS NO AUTHENTIC ANCIENT CASE IN WHICH ANY ACTUAL RACIAL 
CONNOTATIION IS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM . 

IN FACT, THE SANKSRIT WORDS FOR BLACK AND BLUE MAY READILY 
BE EXCHANGED OR CONFOUNDED. THIS IS SO COMMON, THAT 
KRISHNA IS ROUTINELY PICTURED AS EITHER BLACK OR BLUE. IN 
NEITHER CASE IS HIS BLACKNESS A HUMAN 'BLACKNESS' . IN THE 
SAME WAY, THE WHITE SKIN OF SUKLA BALA IS SNOW-WHITE, NOT 
A 'CAUCASIAN' HUMAN SKIN-TONE. THE COLORS OF THE VARNAS, 
WHITE FOR BRAHMINS, RED FOR KSHATRIYAS, YELLOW FOR VAISHAS 
AND BLACK FOR SUDRAS HAS NO RACIAL CONNOTATION IN THE 
AUTHENTIC SOURCES. 

AGAIN WE SEE THAT THE LATE THEOSOPHISTS REINTERPRETED 
THESE TRADITIONS AS SUPPORTING THEIR IDEAS OF RACIST 
ARYANISM. 
TO MAKE THE ARYANS WHITES AND RACISTS, THEY HAD TO REMOVE 
VISHNU, SHIVA AND LOKESVARA , THE 'BLACK' (BLUE SAME WORD) 
GODS OF THE ARYANS FROM THE PICTURE ! IT SIMPLY WOULD NOT 
BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE ARYANS TO WORSHIP A 'BLACK' GOD. SO 
USING ATHEISTIC ADVAITA VEDANTIST WORD JUGGLERY, THEY 
REMOVED THE 'ARYANS' DEITY OUT OF HIS OWN SCRIPTURES. THEY 
EITHER RE-CREATED RAMA AND KRISHNA AS ARYAN RACE HEROES, OR 
THEY EXPLAINED THEM OUT OF THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES. SINCE THE 
IMPERSONALIST AND ATHEIST MAYAVADI HINDUS AND THERAVADIN 
BUDDHIST HAD ALREADY REMOVED THE DEITY FROM 'HINDUISM' 
AND 'BUDDHISM', 

THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF EXTREME CORRUPTION OF TRADITION 
THAT THE 'HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL' KIND OF GNOSTIC RACE 
FANATICS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN CHRISTIANITY. GOD / JESUS 
MUST BE RECAST AS A RACIAL ARYAN, OR REJECTED ENTIRELY. 
HUMANITY'S TIME-DEPTH MEMORY IS USUALLY ONLY AS OLD AS ONE 
OR TWO GENERATIONS. IF A NEW GENERATION IS RAISED WITH NO 
ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PAST, OR ITS RELIGIOUS 
TRADITIONS, THEN IT MAY BE INDOCTRINATED WITH PRACTICALLY 
ANY IDEOLOGY OR HISTORICAL WORLD VIEW. UNDER THE BRITISH IN 
INDIA, IT WAS FORBIDDEN FOR AUTHENTIC VAISHNAVAS TO TEACH 
THE BHAGAVAD-GITA IN THE SCHOOLS. THE AUTHENTIC GITA OF SRI 
KRISHNA WAS CONSIDERED TOO POLITICALLY DANGEROUS. THE 
CHINESE TRIED TO WIPE-OUT PURE LAND BUDDHISM IN CHINA AND 
HAVE ALL BUT DESTROYED AUTHENTIC TIBETAN BUDDHISM. THEY 
HAVE ALSO EMPLOYED CORRUPTION AND CONTROL OF THE TRADITION 
ITSELF TO DO THIS. THE CHINESE HAVE TRIED TO CORRUPT 
CATHOLICISM BY CREATING AND CONTROLLING THEIR OWN STATE-
RUN CHINESE 'CATHOLIC CHURCH'. IN THE SAME WAY, THE EURO-
ARYANISTS TRIED TO USE THE RELIGION OF THE ARYAS TO SUPPORT 
THEIR RACIST AGENDA, BY RE-CASTING RAMA AND KRISHNA AS ARYAN 
RACE HEROES. THE MUSLIMS REDACTED HINDU TEXTS TO CONTROL 
THE MASSES OF INDIA. MUCH OF THE KORAN ITSELF IS A RE-
WORKING OF JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN TRADITON. SOME MUSLIM 
NATIONS FORBID THE POSSESSION OF A REAL BIBLE UNDER PAIN OF 
DEATH. HITLER TRIED TO USE TEUTONIC PAGAN TRADITIONS TO HIS 
ADVANTAGE IN UNIFYING THE GERMANIC PEOPLES. RELIGION HAS 
ALWAYS BEEN USED, CORRUPTED AND ABUSED FOR THE PURPOSES OF 
CONQUEST AND SOCIAL CONTROL. 

SO ON ONE HAND WE ARE TOLD THAT 'ARYA' MEANS THE 'WHITE 
RACE', AND ON THE OTHER HAND WE ARE TOLD THAT IT IS A 
RELIGIOUS, SYMBOLIC TERM WITH NO RACIAL CONNOTATION AT ALL. 
THUS SANSKRIT TERMS LIKE 'ARYA' AND 'KRISHNA' ARE INTERPRETED 
AND REINTERPRETED, ACCORDING TO THEIR CONTEXT, ANY WAY IT 
SUITS THE THEOSOPHISTS AT THE MOMENT. ARYA ONLY MEANS 
RACE WHEN THEY WANT IT TO !

THE LORD'S EMANATIONS / THEOPHANIES, YUGA , LILA AND GUNA 
AVATARAS AND MURTI AND TANGKA FORMS OF COLOR, CLEARLY 
REVEAL THE ANCIENT AUTHENTIC USES OF THIS SYMBOLISM, DEVOID 
OF ANY REFERENCE TO MUNDANE COLOR OR RACISM. 

. IT IS SAID THAT THE EXISTANCE OF RACE IN OUR WORLD IS A 
MUNDANE REFLECTION OF THE VARIEGATED BEAUTIFUL COLORS OF 
OUR BEATIFIED SPIRITUAL BODIES IN THE IMMATERIAL REALM. NO 
WHERE IN VAISHNAVA TRADITION IS THE BLACKNESS OF SRI KRISHNA 
ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL.....BUT STILL MONIER WILLIAMS MADE THIS 
ASSOCIATION IN HIS ARYANIST SANSKRIT-ENGLISH DICTIONARY ! IN 
THIS WORK, THE BLUE / BLACK MEANING FOR THE WORD-ROOT OF 
THE NAME 'KRISHNA' WAS TRANSLATED BY MONIER-WILLIAMS 
AS 'BLACK' AND ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL ! HE IGNORED THE 
TRADITIONAL MEANINGS AND BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATIONS AND 
IMPOSED A RACIST WHITE-BLACK / GOOD-EVIL MEANING ON THE 
ENTIRE SUBJECT. THUS SRI KRISHNA WAS DEALT WITH TWO WAYS 
BY THE EURO-ARYANISTS. HE WAS RECAST AS A WHITE ARYAN RACE 
HERO TEACHING ADVAITA VEDANTA, OR HE WAS DIABOLIAZED AS A 
DIFFERENT KRISHNA, AN EVIL BLACK ONE, THE TRIBAL GOD OF A 
BUNCH OF IDOLATROUS SAVAGES. TO THIS DAY THIS NONSENSE 
IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT KRISHNAS DOMINATES THE DISCUSSION OF 
THE ARYANISTS WITH REGARD TO THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA. THE 
ARYANISTS WANT THE GITA, BUT NOT ITS BLACK DEITY, SO THEY 
INSIST THAT THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA IS A SELF-REALIZED ADVAITA 
VEDANTIST ARYAN, AND THE KRISHNA OF THE OTHER BHAKTI 
SHASTRAS AND IDOLATROUS VAISHNAVAS' ALTARS IS SOME OTHER 
BLACK-EVIL LOW CLASS TANTRIC DEVA / GOD. 




A CROSS-CULTURAL CHECK ALSO CONFIRMS THAT THE SUPREME 
LORD IN THE MEDITERRANEAN REGION WAS ALSO COMMONLY 
DEPICTED IN NON-WHEN WE COME HEREW WE TRY TO RECREATE THE 
BEUATIFUL COLORS OF THE SUPER-MUNDANE REALM, BUT ARE ONLY 
ABLE TO EMBODY OURSELVES IN EARTHY SHADES / HUMAN COLORS. 
HOWEVER WHEN GOD STEPS INTO OUR WORLD, HE CAN REVEAL 
HIMSELF IN THE BEAUTY OF IN-HUMAN COLORS. THUS OSIRIS WAS 
BLUE, BLACK, GREEN, RED OR YELLOW. SKR (SUKLA / SUKRA BALA) OR 
SOKAR WAS WHITE. HERI WAS DEPICTED IN A VARIETY OF COLORS 
JUST LIKE OSIRIS. THE SUPREME FATHER-GOD WAS OFTEN BLUE. ( I 
WILL INSERT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BELOW). IN VAISHNAVA 
TRADITION IT IS ASSERTED THAT THOSE IN THE TRANSCENDENT 
SPIRITUAL SKY HAVE NON-MATERIAL FORMS WITH COLORS 
SOMETHING LIKE THE FLOWER COLORS OF OUR WORLD ! SRI 
KRISHNA'S TRANSCENDENTAL PLAYMATES, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE 
GREEN, BLUE, YELLOW ETC. IT IS SAID THAT THE EXISTANCE OF 
RACE IN OUR WORLD IS A MUNDANE REFLECTION OF THE VARIEGATED 
BEAUTIFUL COLORS OF OUR BEATIFIED SPIRITUAL BODIES IN THE 
IMMATERIAL REALM. NO WHERE IN VAISHNAVA TRADITION IS THE 
BLACKNESS OF SRI KRISHNA ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL.....BUT STILL 
MONIER WILLIAMS MADE THIS ASSOCIATION IN HIS ARYANIST 
SANSKRIT-ENGLISH DICTIONARY ! IN THIS WORK, THE BLUE / BLACK 
MEANING FOR THE WORD-ROOT OF THE NAME 'KRISHNA' WAS 
TRANSLATED BY MONIER-WILLIAMS AS 'BLACK' AND ASSOCIATED 
WITH EVIL ! HE IGNORED THE TRADITIONAL MEANINGS AND 
BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATIONS AND IMPOSED A RACIST WHITE-BLACK / 
GOOD-EVIL MEANING ON THE ENTIRE SUBJECT. THUS SRI KRISHNA 
WAS DEALT WITH TWO WAYS BY THE EURO-ARYANISTS. HE WAS 
RECAST AS A WHITE ARYAN RACE HERO TEACHING ADVAITA 
VEDANTA, OR HE WAS DIABOLIAZED AS A DIFFERENT KRISHNA, AN 
EVIL BLACK ONE, THE TRIBAL GOD OF A BUNCH OF IDOLATROUS 
SAVAGES. TO THIS DAY THIS NONSENSE IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT 
KRISHNAS DOMINATES THE DISCUSSION OF THE ARYANISTS WITH 
REGARD TO THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA. THE ARYANISTS WANT THE 
GITA, BUT NOT ITS BLACK DEITY, SO THEY INSIST THAT THE KRISHNA 
OF THE GITA IS A SELF-REALIZED ADVAITA VEDANTIST ARYAN, AND 
THE KRISHNA OF THE OTHER BHAKTI SHASTRAS AND IDOLATROUS 
VAISHNAVAS' ALTARS IS SOME OTHER BLACK-EVIL LOW CLASS 
TANTRIC DEVA / GOD. 
So I don't care what Daniel C.Caldwell calls me, last week he called 
me "jasmine." Fact is my name is Brian, but never mind on-line you can 
call me anything you want, John or Max, or Brenda or Fritz or Joanne, 
whatever. 

The real issue is that since Daniel H. Caldwell has no answers to the 
question posted he must know the Mahatma Letters are a concocted 
Fraud.

Otherwise how does Daniel H. Caldwell explains something like"

Or that "Koot Hoomi"'s claim that "the "Mahatma Letters" to Newspaper 
editor A.P. Sinnet in British India : "The highest race (physical 
intellectuality) is the last sub-race of the fifth -- yourselves the white =

conquerors. The majority of mankind belongs to the seventh sub-race of 
the fourth Root race, Chinamen and their off-shoots and branchlets 
(Malayans, Mongolians, Tibetans, Javanese, etc., etc., etc.) and 
remnants of other sub-races of the fourth and the seventh sub-race of 
the third race. All these, fallen, degraded semblances of humanity." 
" ?

Daniel H. Caldwell also circumvents the issues reg. the `MASTER' that 
THEY CLAIM TO BE MASTERS OF ANCIENT INDIAN OR "ESOTERIC 
BUDDHIST" TRADITION, R WATEVER, BUT GIVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANY 
REAL MASTERY OF THESE TRADITIONS AT ALL. AT BEST THEY 
APPEAR TO BE HIGHLY EDUCATED WESTERNERS AND UNDISCIPLINED 
HINDU-BUDDHIST NEOPHYTES.

THEIR 'VOICE' IS ALL WRONG FOR REAL ANCIENT ADEPTS, AND THE 
MASTERFUL CONTENT OF THEIR LETTERS IS LAUGHABLE. I WILL 
ASK "WHAT ARE THE AUTHORS OF THESE LETTERS THE MASTERS 
OF ? IF THESE LETTERS ARE THEIR CREDENTIALS, THEN WHAT IS 
THEIR APPARENT QUALIFICATION FOR TEACHING ?" WHERE IS THE 
PROOF IN THE LETTERS THAT THESE "MAHATMAS" ARE WHAT AND 
WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE ? IF THEY KNEW THE TRUTH 
ABOUT "INDIAN" AND EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS ETC. BACK THEN, THEN 
WHY DID THEY TEACH SO MUCH UTTER NONSENSE AND MISLEAD 
PEOPLE ? " THE 'MASTERS' CAN BE EXPOSED JUST BY EXAMINING 
THEIR CLAIMED EXPERTISE. WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS EVIDENT IN 'THEIR' 
LETTERS? LET US GIVE THESE 'MASTERS' AN EXAM ON REAL-WORLD 
INDO-ASIAN OR EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS. THEY WILL FAIL. DO YOU 
THINK THAT THEY WILL SHOW-UP AGAIN TO EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD 
WHY THEY FAILED ? 

SURELY THEIR SELF-DELUDED CHELAS WILL RATIONALIZE THEIR 
ERRORS AND OMISSIONS AND CONTRADICTIONS, BUT ANYONE, WHO 
NOT SO ENTHRALLED TO THEM, WILL SEE THAT THE 'MASTERS' WERE 
MASTERS OF EXACTLY WHAT HPB AND FRIENDS WERE MASTERS OF, 
AND NOTHING MORE.

--- In theos-talk@y..., "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...> wrote:
> THE INTERNAL EVIDENCE IN THE LETTERS THEMSELVES IS ALL THAT 
> IS NEEDED TO REFUTE THEIR CLAIM TO A HIGHER SOURCE. I 
> SUPPOSE THAT AS LONG AS PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE SUCH UTTER 
> NONSENSE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT THOSE WHO ARE NOT 
> ENTHRALLED BY IT CAN DO TO DISILLUSION THEM.
>  
> THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. THAT THE LETTERS ARE NOT 
FROM 
> ANY SUCH THING AS A HIGHER SOURCE, OR ASCENDED MASTER IS 
> SELF EVIDENT. THERE IS NOTHING HIGHER OR SUPER HUMAN 
> CONTAINED IN THEM AT ALL. ANYTHING WORTHWHILE IN THEM HAS 
> BEEN TAKEN FROM OTHER REAL-WORLD EARTHLY SOURCES. THE 
> LETTERS WERE OBVIOUSLY A MERE RUSE TO PROVIDE CREDIBILITY 
TO 
> HPB AND HER FRIENDS AMONG THEIR SELF-DELUDED, CREDULOUS 
> FOLLOWERS.
> 
> HPB AND FRIENDS WERE ALL PERSONS AFFLICTED WITH SPECIAL-
> NESS...THE NEED TO EXALT THEMSELVES ABOVE OTHER HUMAN 
> BEINGS THROUGH THE CREATION OF A PATHOLOGICAL MUTUAL-
> APPRECIATION SOCIETY OF FELLOW ELITISTS. 
> 
> THE MAHATMAS GAVE THEM ALL SPECIAL-NESS. THEIR PROUD 
> KNOWER / GNOSTIC FOLLOWERS TODAY ARE ALSO AFFLICTED WITH 
> THE PATHOLOGICAL DESIRE FOR SPECIAL-NESS. THIS DRIVES THEM 
> AND IS WHY THEY CAN NEVER LET GO OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE 
SO-
> CALLED MAHATMAS / ASCENDED MASTERS. 
> 
> THE MASTERS MUST BE REAL, OR THEY LOSE THEIR SPECIAL-NESS 
> AND BECOME LIKE, OR LESS, THAN EVERYONE ELSE. THEY BECOME 
> SELF-DELUDED AND DELUDING FOOLS WHO HAVE INVESTED THEIR 
> LIVES IN A CRUDE HOAX. THUS THE 'MAHATMAS', ASCENDED 
> MASTERS, OR 'MASTERED BEINGS' HAVE BECOME THE ALL-
CONSUMING 
> SELF-DEFINING REALITY OF THEIR FANATICAL BELIEVERS. NO 
> AMOUNT OF REASON WILL EVER PRY THEM LOOSE FROM FROM 
> THESE 'MASTERS', THEY ARE IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE. THEY 
HAVE 
> DEEP-SEATED PSYCHOLOGICAL NEEDS TO HANG-ON TO THEIR 
SPECIAL-
> NESS, AND THE MASTERS ALONE PROVIDE IT. 
>  
> THEY WOULD NOT NEED THEIR ASCENDED MASTERS TO SAVE THEM 
> FROM UN-SPECIAL-NESS IN AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF SAMSARA. AS IT 
> IS, THESE PATHETIC BEINGS ARE DESPERATE TO HANG ON TO THEIR 
> PRIVILEGED POSITION IN PROXIMATION TO THE MASTERS, WHO 
GIVE 
> THEM SPECIAL-NESS, SAVING THEM FROM BEING LIKE ALL OTHER 
> SOULS. 
>  
> ALL LONG AS PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL THEMSELVES BETTER OR 
> DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO INVENT 
THOUGHT 
> SYSTEMS THAT MAKE THEM A SPECIAL ELITE DUE TO RACE 
> OR 'KNOWLEDGE', PROXIMITY TO ALIENS OR ASCENDED MASTERS 
> ETC. THESE CADRES OF ELITISTS WILL REINFORCE EACHOTHERS' 
> SENSE OF SPECIAL-NESS AND HAVE A DIVISIVE EFFECT IN HUMAN 
> SOCIETY. 
>  
> THE PROBLEM WITH THEOSOPHISTS IS NOT THAT THEY BELIEVE 
THAT 
> THE MAHATMAS' LETTERS ARE REAL, IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO 
> BELIEVE THAT THE MAHATMAS' LETTERS ARE REAL. 
>  
> IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WAKE SOMEONE AS LONG AS THEY ARE 
> PRETENDING TO SLEEP. 
>  
>  
> Editor: Someone wrote the "white" lineage of Tibet is the Kargyu 
> lineage… 
> 
> THERE WAS A COMPLEX YUGA (WORLD EON or AGE), LILA 
(ACTIVITY)  
> AND VARNA (OCCUPATIONAL PREDISPOSITION) ASSOCIATED WITH 
> THE SYMBOLISM OF VARIOUS COLORS. APPEARED AS BLACK 
(BLUE) , 
> GREEN, WHITE, RED AND YELLOW IN DIFFERENT YUGAS OR LOKAS 
> (LOCATIONS / WORLDS) AND LILAS (PLAY ACTIVITIES) . THESE 
KIND 
> OF COLORS ARE SEEN IN THE SACRED ART OF VISHNU, SHIVA (AND 
> THEIR SHAKTIS), AND IN PURE LAND BUDDHISM, INCLUDING THE 
> TIBETAN TRADITION, FOR INSTANCE IN THE CULTS OF WHITE  
TARA, 
> GREEN TARA ETC. BARAHA (BOAR FORM OF VISHNU) IS OFTEN RED, 
> MAHAKALA (TIME FORM OF SHIVA OR KRISHNA) IS BLACK OR BLUE, 
> LOKESVARA IS OFTEN BLUE, MANJUSHRI MAY BE WHITE ETC. ON 
THE 
> TANGKAS, THE DIRECTIONS AND PRESIDING FORMS OF THE DEITY 
ON 
> THE MANDALA / YANTRA WILL BE RENDERED IN A COMPLEX 
SYMBOLIC 
> COLOR SCHEME. THE EMANATIONS AND INCARNATIONS OF THE 
LORD 
> AND HIS SHAKTI, LADY TARA, WILL BE COLORED IN KEEPING WITH 
THE 
> ANCIENT TRADITIONS RELATIVE TO THE DOCTRINES OF YUGA, 
GUNA, 
> LILA, VARNA, LOKA, DIRECTION, VYUHA, AVATARAS, AND VARIOUS 
> LINEAGES ETC REFERING TO INDIC TRADTIONS FOR CROSS-
> CHECKING THE MEANINGS OF THESE YANTRAS, REVEALS THAT 
THERE 
> IS NO AUTHENTIC ANCIENT CASE IN WHICH ANY ACTUAL RACIAL 
> CONNOTATIION IS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM .  
>  
> IN FACT, THE SANKSRIT WORDS FOR BLACK AND BLUE MAY READILY 
> BE EXCHANGED OR CONFOUNDED. THIS IS SO COMMON, THAT 
> KRISHNA IS ROUTINELY PICTURED AS EITHER BLACK OR BLUE. IN 
> NEITHER CASE IS HIS BLACKNESS A HUMAN 'BLACKNESS' . IN THE 
> SAME WAY, THE WHITE SKIN OF SUKLA BALA IS SNOW-WHITE, NOT 
> A 'CAUCASIAN' HUMAN SKIN-TONE. THE COLORS OF THE VARNAS, 
> WHITE FOR BRAHMINS, RED FOR KSHATRIYAS, YELLOW FOR 
VAISHAS  
> AND BLACK FOR SUDRAS HAS NO RACIAL CONNOTATION IN THE 
> AUTHENTIC SOURCES. 
> 
> AGAIN WE SEE THAT THE LATE THEOSOPHISTS REINTERPRETED 
> THESE TRADITIONS AS SUPPORTING THEIR IDEAS OF RACIST 
> ARYANISM.  
> TO MAKE THE ARYANS WHITES AND RACISTS, THEY HAD TO 
REMOVE 
> VISHNU, SHIVA AND LOKESVARA , THE 'BLACK' (BLUE SAME WORD) 
> GODS OF THE ARYANS FROM THE PICTURE ! IT SIMPLY WOULD 
NOT 
> BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE ARYANS TO WORSHIP A 'BLACK' GOD. SO 
> USING ATHEISTIC ADVAITA VEDANTIST WORD JUGGLERY, THEY 
> REMOVED THE 'ARYANS' DEITY OUT OF HIS OWN SCRIPTURES.   
THEY 
> EITHER RE-CREATED RAMA AND KRISHNA AS ARYAN RACE HEROES, 
OR 
> THEY EXPLAINED THEM OUT OF THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES. SINCE 
THE 
> IMPERSONALIST AND ATHEIST MAYAVADI HINDUS AND THERAVADIN 
> BUDDHIST HAD ALREADY REMOVED THE DEITY FROM 'HINDUISM' 
> AND 'BUDDHISM', 
> 
> THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF EXTREME CORRUPTION OF TRADITION 
> THAT THE 'HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL' KIND OF GNOSTIC RACE 
> FANATICS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN CHRISTIANITY. GOD / JESUS 
> MUST BE RECAST AS A RACIAL ARYAN, OR REJECTED ENTIRELY.  
> HUMANITY'S TIME-DEPTH MEMORY IS USUALLY ONLY AS OLD AS ONE 
> OR TWO GENERATIONS. IF A NEW GENERATION IS RAISED WITH NO 
> ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PAST, OR ITS RELIGIOUS 
> TRADITIONS, THEN IT MAY BE INDOCTRINATED WITH PRACTICALLY 
> ANY IDEOLOGY OR HISTORICAL WORLD VIEW. UNDER THE BRITISH 
IN 
> INDIA, IT WAS FORBIDDEN FOR AUTHENTIC VAISHNAVAS TO TEACH 
> THE BHAGAVAD-GITA IN THE SCHOOLS. THE AUTHENTIC GITA OF 
SRI 
> KRISHNA WAS CONSIDERED TOO POLITICALLY DANGEROUS. THE 
> CHINESE TRIED TO WIPE-OUT PURE LAND BUDDHISM IN CHINA AND 
> HAVE ALL BUT DESTROYED AUTHENTIC TIBETAN BUDDHISM. THEY 
> HAVE ALSO EMPLOYED CORRUPTION AND CONTROL OF THE 
TRADITION 
> ITSELF TO DO THIS. THE CHINESE HAVE TRIED TO CORRUPT 
> CATHOLICISM BY CREATING AND CONTROLLING THEIR OWN STATE-
> RUN CHINESE 'CATHOLIC CHURCH'. IN THE SAME WAY, THE EURO-
> ARYANISTS TRIED TO USE THE RELIGION OF THE ARYAS TO 
SUPPORT 
> THEIR RACIST AGENDA, BY RE-CASTING RAMA AND KRISHNA AS 
ARYAN 
> RACE HEROES. THE MUSLIMS REDACTED HINDU TEXTS TO 
CONTROL 
> THE MASSES OF INDIA. MUCH OF THE KORAN ITSELF IS A RE-
> WORKING OF JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN TRADITON. SOME MUSLIM 
> NATIONS FORBID THE POSSESSION OF A REAL BIBLE UNDER PAIN OF 
> DEATH. HITLER TRIED TO USE TEUTONIC PAGAN TRADITIONS TO 
HIS 
> ADVANTAGE IN UNIFYING THE GERMANIC PEOPLES. RELIGION HAS 
> ALWAYS BEEN USED, CORRUPTED AND ABUSED FOR THE PURPOSES 
OF 
> CONQUEST AND SOCIAL CONTROL. 
>  
> SO ON ONE HAND WE ARE TOLD THAT 'ARYA' MEANS THE 'WHITE 
> RACE', AND ON THE OTHER HAND WE ARE TOLD THAT IT IS A 
> RELIGIOUS, SYMBOLIC TERM WITH NO RACIAL CONNOTATION AT 
ALL.   
> THUS SANSKRIT TERMS LIKE 'ARYA' AND 'KRISHNA' ARE 
INTERPRETED 
> AND REINTERPRETED, ACCORDING TO THEIR CONTEXT, ANY WAY IT 
> SUITS THE THEOSOPHISTS AT THE MOMENT. ARYA ONLY MEANS 
> RACE WHEN THEY WANT IT TO !
>  
> THE LORD'S EMANATIONS / THEOPHANIES, YUGA , LILA AND GUNA 
> AVATARAS AND MURTI AND TANGKA FORMS OF COLOR, CLEARLY 
> REVEAL THE ANCIENT AUTHENTIC USES OF THIS SYMBOLISM, 
DEVOID 
> OF ANY REFERENCE TO MUNDANE COLOR OR RACISM. 
> 
> . IT IS SAID THAT THE EXISTANCE OF RACE IN OUR WORLD IS A 
> MUNDANE REFLECTION OF THE VARIEGATED BEAUTIFUL COLORS OF 
> OUR BEATIFIED SPIRITUAL BODIES IN THE IMMATERIAL REALM. NO 
> WHERE IN VAISHNAVA TRADITION IS THE BLACKNESS OF SRI 
KRISHNA 
> ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL.....BUT STILL MONIER WILLIAMS MADE THIS 
> ASSOCIATION IN HIS ARYANIST SANSKRIT-ENGLISH DICTIONARY !   
IN 
> THIS WORK, THE BLUE / BLACK MEANING FOR THE WORD-ROOT OF 
> THE NAME 'KRISHNA' WAS TRANSLATED BY MONIER-WILLIAMS 
> AS 'BLACK' AND ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL ! HE IGNORED THE 
> TRADITIONAL MEANINGS AND BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATIONS AND 
> IMPOSED A RACIST WHITE-BLACK / GOOD-EVIL MEANING ON THE 
> ENTIRE SUBJECT. THUS SRI KRISHNA WAS DEALT WITH TWO WAYS 
> BY THE EURO-ARYANISTS. HE WAS RECAST AS A WHITE ARYAN 
RACE 
> HERO TEACHING ADVAITA VEDANTA, OR HE WAS DIABOLIAZED AS A 
> DIFFERENT KRISHNA, AN EVIL BLACK ONE, THE TRIBAL GOD OF A 
> BUNCH OF IDOLATROUS SAVAGES. TO THIS DAY THIS NONSENSE 
> IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT KRISHNAS DOMINATES THE DISCUSSION 
OF 
> THE ARYANISTS WITH REGARD TO THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA. THE 
> ARYANISTS WANT THE GITA, BUT NOT ITS BLACK DEITY, SO THEY 
> INSIST THAT THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA IS A SELF-REALIZED 
ADVAITA 
> VEDANTIST ARYAN, AND THE KRISHNA OF THE OTHER BHAKTI 
> SHASTRAS AND IDOLATROUS VAISHNAVAS' ALTARS IS SOME OTHER 
> BLACK-EVIL LOW CLASS TANTRIC DEVA / GOD.    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> A CROSS-CULTURAL CHECK ALSO CONFIRMS THAT THE SUPREME 
> LORD IN THE MEDITERRANEAN REGION WAS ALSO COMMONLY 
> DEPICTED IN NON-WHEN WE COME HEREW WE TRY TO RECREATE 
THE 
> BEUATIFUL COLORS OF THE SUPER-MUNDANE REALM, BUT ARE ONLY 
> ABLE TO EMBODY OURSELVES IN EARTHY SHADES / HUMAN 
COLORS.  
> HOWEVER WHEN GOD STEPS INTO OUR WORLD, HE CAN REVEAL 
> HIMSELF IN THE BEAUTY OF IN-HUMAN COLORS. THUS OSIRIS WAS 
> BLUE, BLACK, GREEN, RED OR YELLOW. SKR (SUKLA / SUKRA BALA) 
OR 
> SOKAR WAS WHITE. HERI WAS DEPICTED IN A VARIETY OF COLORS 
> JUST LIKE OSIRIS. THE SUPREME FATHER-GOD WAS OFTEN BLUE. ( 
I 
> WILL INSERT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BELOW). IN VAISHNAVA 
> TRADITION IT IS ASSERTED THAT THOSE IN THE TRANSCENDENT 
> SPIRITUAL SKY HAVE NON-MATERIAL FORMS WITH COLORS 
> SOMETHING LIKE THE FLOWER COLORS OF OUR WORLD ! SRI 
> KRISHNA'S TRANSCENDENTAL PLAYMATES, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE 
> GREEN, BLUE, YELLOW ETC. IT IS SAID THAT THE EXISTANCE OF 
> RACE IN OUR WORLD IS A MUNDANE REFLECTION OF THE 
VARIEGATED 
> BEAUTIFUL COLORS OF OUR BEATIFIED SPIRITUAL BODIES IN THE 
> IMMATERIAL REALM. NO WHERE IN VAISHNAVA TRADITION IS THE 
> BLACKNESS OF SRI KRISHNA ASSOCIATED WITH EVIL.....BUT STILL 
> MONIER WILLIAMS MADE THIS ASSOCIATION IN HIS ARYANIST 
> SANSKRIT-ENGLISH DICTIONARY ! IN THIS WORK, THE BLUE / 
BLACK 
> MEANING FOR THE WORD-ROOT OF THE NAME 'KRISHNA' WAS 
> TRANSLATED BY MONIER-WILLIAMS AS 'BLACK' AND ASSOCIATED 
> WITH EVIL ! HE IGNORED THE TRADITIONAL MEANINGS AND 
> BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATIONS AND IMPOSED A RACIST WHITE-
BLACK / 
> GOOD-EVIL MEANING ON THE ENTIRE SUBJECT. THUS SRI KRISHNA 
> WAS DEALT WITH TWO WAYS BY THE EURO-ARYANISTS. HE WAS 
> RECAST AS A WHITE ARYAN RACE HERO TEACHING ADVAITA 
> VEDANTA, OR HE WAS DIABOLIAZED AS A DIFFERENT KRISHNA, AN 
> EVIL BLACK ONE, THE TRIBAL GOD OF A BUNCH OF IDOLATROUS 
> SAVAGES. TO THIS DAY THIS NONSENSE IDEA OF TWO DIFFERENT 
> KRISHNAS DOMINATES THE DISCUSSION OF THE ARYANISTS WITH 
> REGARD TO THE KRISHNA OF THE GITA. THE ARYANISTS WANT THE 
> GITA, BUT NOT ITS BLACK DEITY, SO THEY INSIST THAT THE 
KRISHNA 
> OF THE GITA IS A SELF-REALIZED ADVAITA VEDANTIST ARYAN, AND 
> THE KRISHNA OF THE OTHER BHAKTI SHASTRAS AND IDOLATROUS 
> VAISHNAVAS' ALTARS IS SOME OTHER BLACK-EVIL LOW CLASS 
> TANTRIC DEVA / GOD.  
> So I don't care what Daniel C.Caldwell calls me, last week he called 
> me "jasmine." Fact is my name is Brian, but never mind on-line you 
can 
> call me anything you want, John or Max, or Brenda or Fritz or Joanne, 
> whatever. 
> 
> The real issue is that since Daniel H. Caldwell has no answers to the 
> question posted he must know the Mahatma Letters are a concocted 
> Fraud.
> 
> Otherwise how does Daniel H. Caldwell explains something like"
> 
> Or that "Koot Hoomi"'s claim that "..." ?
> 
> Daniel H. Caldwell also circumvents the issues reg. the `MASTER' 
that 
> THEY CLAIM TO BE MASTERS OF ANCIENT INDIAN OR "ESOTERIC 
> BUDDHIST" TRADITION, R WATEVER, BUT GIVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANY 
> REAL MASTERY OF THESE TRADITIONS AT ALL. AT BEST THEY 
> APPEAR TO BE HIGHLY EDUCATED WESTERNERS AND UNDISCIPLINED 
> HINDU-BUDDHIST NEOPHYTES.
> 
> THEIR 'VOICE' IS ALL WRONG FOR REAL ANCIENT ADEPTS, AND THE 
> MASTERFUL CONTENT OF THEIR LETTERS IS LAUGHABLE. I WILL 
> ASK "WHAT ARE THE AUTHORS OF THESE LETTERS THE MASTERS 
> OF ? IF THESE LETTERS ARE THEIR CREDENTIALS, THEN WHAT IS 
> THEIR APPARENT QUALIFICATION FOR TEACHING ?" WHERE IS THE 
> PROOF IN THE LETTERS THAT THESE "MAHATMAS" ARE WHAT AND 
> WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE ? IF THEY KNEW THE TRUTH 
> ABOUT "INDIAN" AND EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS ETC. BACK THEN, THEN 
> WHY DID THEY TEACH SO MUCH UTTER NONSENSE AND MISLEAD 
> PEOPLE ? " THE 'MASTERS' CAN BE EXPOSED JUST BY EXAMINING 
> THEIR CLAIMED EXPERTISE. WHAT KNOWLEDGE IS EVIDENT 
IN 'THEIR' 
> LETTERS? LET US GIVE THESE 'MASTERS' AN EXAM ON REAL-
WORLD 
> INDO-ASIAN OR EGYPTIAN TRADITIONS. THEY WILL FAIL. DO YOU 
> THINK THAT THEY WILL SHOW-UP AGAIN TO EXPLAIN TO THE 
WORLD 
> WHY THEY FAILED ? 
> 
> SURELY THEIR SELF-DELUDED CHELAS WILL RATIONALIZE THEIR 
> ERRORS AND OMISSIONS AND CONTRADICTIONS, BUT ANYONE, 
WHO 
> NOT SO ENTHRALLED TO THEM, WILL SEE THAT THE 'MASTERS' 
WERE 
> MASTERS OF EXACTLY WHAT HPB AND FRIENDS WERE MASTERS 
OF, 
> AND NOTHING MORE.
>   
>  
> --- In theos-talk@y..., <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> > Nov 8 2002
> > 
> > Dear Friends :
> > 
> > In recent weeks we have been discussing the subject of Man's 
> evolution
> > and the 7-fold nature of our Earth as represented in the "Globes"
> > ( see S D I 200 diagram ).
> > 
> >